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Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by sillysaurus3 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @05:50PM (#15761377)
I recently started the Whole 30 diet (paleo), and it's nearly impossible to avoid sugar, corn starch, and dextrose. Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those. Often for no reason: why put sugar in beans and bacon, or corn starch in turkey?

The amount of money I'm spending on food jumped by 3x. It seems accurate to say that if you're poor, you're almost forced to eat sugar for economic reasons.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by obstacle1 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:11PM (#15762070)
>Almost all fooeds seem to have one of those

Almost all prepared, packaged, or preserved foods have one of those.

The solution is actually pretty simple: eat meals made from base/raw ingredients only.

Beans, nuts, meats, vegetables, fruits, vegetable oils, spices... Endless varieties of stuff to cook with, combine, and eat alone. People just aren't used to eating this way, because prepackaged crap has been the norm for so long.

You are right that if you're poor, it's difficult to eat this way, though.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by hydrox24 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @09:21AM (#15765202)
> prepackaged crap has been the norm for so long

> if you're poor, it's difficult to eat this way, though.

And it is difficult for some poor people to eat this way because their cultural poverty exacerbates or even causes their financial poverty. Their parents (if they were lucky enough to have two) didn't teach them to prepare basic meals, sharpen a knife, or care for a frying pan. Each of these skills is a barrier to entry, and they add up quickly for basic meals.

It's not the only major barrier, but I think that we have really pulled the rug out from the poorest by exchanging cultural norms for convenience and a net rise in costs.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @05:55PM (#15761412)
I don't follow any particular diet, but most of my meals are vegetables and a small amount meat / fish / eggs / chicken. I find it quite affordable.

I typically avoid buying anything processed, those items rapidly ruin my budget.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by sluggg on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @06:51PM (#15761726)
"I typically avoid buying anything processed, those items rapidly ruin my budget." ... what

processed foods are on average considerably cheaper. Spam, hot dogs, bacon, deli meats, and the list goes on and on.

Where do you shop? I am highly skeptical of your claims.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by nopassrecover on Thursday November 23, 2017 @04:39AM (#15763976)
Depends where you live. Fresh food from an independent grocer is noticeably cheaper, fresher, longer-lasting, and tastier than any of the food (packaged or fresh) from major supermarkets here in Australia.
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by always_good on Friday November 24, 2017 @02:37PM (#15772610)
Deli meats are pretty expensive. So is bacon if you're using it as your entree.
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by bluewater on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:45AM (#15764234)
Just finished my whole30 and it is indeed eye opening what’s in seemingly normal food like you mention. While it was a difficult month I do think it was a worthwile endeavor. Good luck to you! P.S. check your spices, some of those even have added ingredients for shelf life, anti-clumping, color, etc
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by Hockenbrizzle on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:54PM (#15766694)
Sugar is common for curing meats like bacon. I don't know if it plays a role in pulling out the water like salt does, but I know some use it to offset the strong saltiness. I think it also provides for some bacteria which help preserve the meat.
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by KozmoNau7 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:10AM (#15764514)
While I think paleo diets are going too far in the wrong direction in the search for a dietary solution, I emphasize with your observed problems. It seems that sugar is simply added by default to far too many foods.

The biggest thing I would suggest is to avoid canned foods, especially beans. Buy dried beans instead. They don't take that much effort to cook, the only thing is that you need to remember to soak them overnight (and discard the soaking water) before cooking. As an added bonus, dried beans, lentils, chickpeas and so on are inexpensive and widely available.

You could also get a pressure cooker, which is just a good idea in general, and will allow you to cook beans directly in about an hour.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by devmunchies on Thursday November 23, 2017 @03:38AM (#15763754)
No, that's because you have the artificial requirement to eat meat and stuff, which usually has additives. I've been in a whole food plant based diet and it's super cheap to buy all of the fruits, vegetables, grains, etc in bulk.
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by sethammons on Thursday November 23, 2017 @08:33AM (#15764918)
Fruits and vegetables in bulk? How are you storing them? If we don't eat ours within a few days or a week they spoil.