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Re:I'm Testifying to Congress about Data Breaches – What Sho... by astura on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @07:14AM (#15756192)
HN is all like "speech should be free and unlimited and protected always... Unless someone's talking about me."

That sort of hard stance seems extremely unworkable. If I sign up for Hulu they need my email and billing information at the least. So they are supposed to pay me now because I gave them that to get a service? So then ot evens out so my streaming is free now? Goodbye any useful paid service. Goodbye any free service.

What you're really advocating here though is abolishing free society as we know it.

You think I'm kidding? All court proceeding would have to be in secret and unrecorded as saying "so and so convicted of manslaughter" is now illegal. All public records abolished entirely, no accountability anymore. No journalists could publish a story about anyone ever. Harvey Weinstein sexually assaults hundreds of women? Can't tell anyone or publish that information, Harvey Weinstein owns it. Even telling someone else about your date last night would become illegal.

Re:I'm Testifying to Congress about Data Breaches – What Sho... by bogomipz on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:00AM (#15757771)
I don't believe that's at all what the OP meant by:

> "Other entities should not be allowed to keep or trade information about individuals without paying them directly.

I interpreted the comment to mean if I subscribe to say Hulu they are not allowed to sell that information to third parties and also if I cancel my Hulu account my data is not kept around since its no longer needed.

Re:I'm Testifying to Congress about Data Breaches – What Sho... by thatcat on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:31AM (#15756597)
I think gp ment commercial data, with the aim to prevent the resale rather than collection.
Re:I'm Testifying to Congress about Data Breaches – What Sho... by cinquemb on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:42AM (#15756678)
Though, it would seem like data in general is more commercializable now than it was a century ago.

I certainly don't want to be the person to have to draw a line in the sand between "non commercial data" and "commercial data".

Then again, maybe I want to sell access to brain scans of people using hardware I made to a 3rd Party in the future… :P

Re:I'm Testifying to Congress about Data Breaches – What Sho... by thatcat on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:54AM (#15756748)
Its not any harder than labeling things for tax purposes. If you sell it, it is commercial and should have restrictions on how it's held and transmitted. It's not unreasonable to require part of that process to involve payment to the data originator, as a royalty for the unique data they created. This would also allow those creating the data an easy way to see how it is ultimately used.
Re:I'm Testifying to Congress about Data Breaches – What Sho... by cinquemb on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:51AM (#15758259)
>Its not any harder than labeling things for tax purposes.

And how many countries are companies able to skirt through financial engineering?

Yeah, people can create all the rules they want, but I'm more interested in how people plan on enforcing it… because from where I sit, that's where countries are lacking (esp with politicians accepting some kind of bribes/kickbacks/revolving door/election financing/lobbying doors in them all), and it isn't getting any better…

Even when the hardware for brain scans get cheaper and more open, the raw data it self in the hands of the average WeChat/Facebook/Line, user is useless unless one understands how to process it into something useable…

Companies that can attract talent will increasingly start making all the data that they collect public by default… side stepping the pain of data breeches when you keep costs down by making it public by default… how they process it, that's a different story… maybe those companies will get their useds pissed off enough to actually think about their choices of using their platforms and not use them… though, that last part seems increasingly unlikely.