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Re:How Evil Is Tech? by wpietri on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:02AM (#15755127)
> Comparing the tech industry's effects to the tobacco industry is a bad joke

Nah. Even people in the industry are starting to wake up to the ethical questions that come with making addictive products. E.g., this thoughtful piece from a game company on why they're abandoning the free-to-play model:

http://www.clickerheroes2.com/paytowin.php

Re:How Evil Is Tech? by otalp on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:14AM (#15755172)
There's a huge difference between addiction from games and apps, and actual severe physical addiction from a drug like tobacco that also leads to cancer. I'm not saying app addiction is inconsequential: it is not. But comparing it to something that literally causes cancer is hyperbole.
Re:How Evil Is Tech? by asdgkknio on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:18AM (#15757363)
Gambling is definitely comparable to (and possibly worse than) cigarettes. Gambling has ruined plenty of lives, and it can ruin your life in a few days while smoking takes decades.

Addiction can be horribly destructive without causing physical harm.

I don't know how bad these apps are. Gambling apps can be as bad as a slot machine or a roulette wheel, but we have no idea what kind of psychological damage the more insidious ones cause.

And there is physical harm. Obesity is a public health crisis. I don't know to what extent these apps contribute to it, but it's not zero.

Re:How Evil Is Tech? by bambax on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:24AM (#15755215)
Depression, suicide and social isolation are real problems; it's not just people wasting time in pointless apps.
Re:How Evil Is Tech? by otalp on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:36AM (#15755276)
And these are not caused by apps in isolation; suicide rates today in the US are lower than what they were in the 70s. Young people are the least likeliest groups to commit suicide or have depression. Again, that is not to say that there have never been cases where social media and apps have caused suicides or severe depression. It's just not a significant driver of deaths like illness like tobacco.
Re:How Evil Is Tech? by TrickyRick on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @04:07AM (#15755430)
Also poverty. Not claiming that poverty is caused by addictive games but it sure doesn't help to spend money on what is essentially a gambling addiction.
Re:How Evil Is Tech? by wpietri on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:41AM (#15755304)
Sure. It's hyperbolic, but it's definitely not a joke.

Also, the two aren't as far apart as they seem at first. There are a variety of groups for helping people quit games. [1] I've had friends say it was easier to quit smoking than it was to quite Warcraft. And when doctors say, "sitting is the new smoking", they aren't just whistling dixie. [2]

[1] E.g.: https://gamequitters.com/ or http://www.olganon.org/ or http://cgaa.info/

[2] http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/11/health/sitting-increases-risk-...