My experience with an Atreus was quite different. The hand positions were comfortable with the tilted, split sides of the keyboard. Using my thumbs for both Space and Enter was also nice. I especially liked the straight, vertical columns of the keyboard. They made touch typing much easier and faster than on a regular keyboard with offset rows. Overall, the Atreus was beneficial to my typing speed and also to my wrists, elbows, and back, since it helped align my body in a more natural typing position. What aspect of the Atreus keyboard do you feel renders it a white elephant?

Wow I'm an idiot. I completely forgot about the other (mainstream) definition of White Elephant. I was only thinking of the one that I learned in college. Total brain fart, and now my comment above looks like an insult when it was never meant to be one. I meant they're luxuries that I appreciate having but could easily live without.

a 'white elephant' is a useless gift that noone wants.

neither point stands in these cases.

that said, you don't have to like them.

That's not the definition that I learned: a white elephant is an unnecessary luxury with limited utility that you can't obtain and maintain unless you're pretty far from being in need. That's what I meant here.

The alleged origin is a king who gave them as gifts, knowing they had no practical use and hoping the cost of feeding and caring for them would bankrupt the recipients.

From Thailand. Elephants are sacred there, especially white elephants. So if someone gave you a white elephant you could not refuse or get rid of it without causing offense.

Can you define etc, i.e. the other white elephants?

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