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Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by charonn0 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:51PM (#15749900)
> Switch to another internet provider.

That's not an option for most Americans, and part of the reason why net neutrality is necessary.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by dinoleif on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:54PM (#15749932)
This is plainly false.

Most households have multiple internet providers.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by so33 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:16PM (#15750177)
In Ontario, there are three major internet providers: Rogers, Bell, and Telus. For the longest time, their plans (all of them) had bandwidth caps, something that would be unheard of in the United States. They used to be extremely ungenerous, about 100 GB a month or worse. (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/04/how-internet-use...)

The other internet providers, Bell and Telus, had an opportunity to distinguish themselves here.

But they didn’t. They had bandwidth caps too. There was a smaller ISP (TekSavvy) which offered 300GB bandwidth caps (still ridiculous by US standards), which they could offer as a result of a law requiring Canadian ISPs to resell infrastructure to smaller providers (meaning TekSavvy has access to all of Rogers’ customer base). Around 2015, Rogers started introducing plans with higher bandwidth caps, and bandwidth restrictions have relaxed (but they still exist).

It took pretty much a decade for innovation-stifling bandwidth restrictions to stop being a thing in Ontario, and arguably only because of a law (i.e. government interference) letting smaller ISPs use big ISP infrastructure.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by Fnoord on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:28PM (#15750289)
100 GB/month doesn't tell us much if you don't include a date for context (the Ars article is from 2011).

I think that if you are in a market with caps, and you go offer a subscription without a cap, you end up with a bunch of subscribers who will saturate their line. So it makes more sense to slowly compete on increasing the caps, quite like we see in the mobile industry as well. Plus, network capacity goes up (hence I said date context matters).

Personally, I got nothing against caps, as long they're clear and the subscriber is informed about it beforehand. A FUP has a cap as well. If you download 24/7/365.25 on broadband then many ISPs will complain. Not all, but many will. Although nowadays less than say in the 90s or 00s.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by lovehashbrowns on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:43PM (#15750421)
Phew! That's so true. Before Google Fiber came to my apartment complex, I only had Time Warner if I wanted broadband internet. The option aside from that was 56k or satellite. So many options.

In Chicago, I had Comcast and AT&T DSL. Neither was very fast, and Comcast was really expensive (something like $90+ if I wanted decent speeds). Again, very fortunate of me. I chose to go with AT&T because I was a poor college student. Trying to watch Youtube on that was a complete nightmare. I was also very unlucky if one of my online courses required watching an instructional video or a lecture.

So many options! Expensive and slow internet vs. cheap and really crappy internet. Both with data caps, awful customer service, constant connection issues, expensive+aging equipment--gee wiz we're so lucky.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by eregorn on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:11PM (#15750121)
I'm wondering where you are getting your information from. Particularly, when I search my own zip on ISP search sites, I get anywhere from 4-6 providers even though I only have 2 options. There's possibly a discrepancy between what's reported and what customers actually have.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by dboreham on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:30PM (#15750300)
From the ISP lobbyist she works for?
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by charonn0 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:01PM (#15750007)
If you count sub-broadband connections, sure.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by dinoleif on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:06PM (#15750051)
"not an option for most Americans"

OK.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by charonn0 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:14PM (#15750152)
Even the FCC, back when it was at least nominally run for the benefit of the American people, didn't consider sub-broadband good enough to qualify as competition.