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Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by jjoonathan on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:36PM (#15749705)
To where? Or are you one of those lucky few who have a choice of ISP?
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by e1ven on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:38PM (#15749731)
It's not there yet, but mobile broadband is becoming increasingly viable.

It's far from ideal, but 4 (soon 3) competitors are better than the 1 choice I have for wired broadband.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:43PM (#15749803)
Mobile broadband also has an oligopoly (with some of the same players, hi AT&T), and all the provider power issues that apply to fixed broadband;the neutrality rules being repealed applied to them, too (but even they allowed mobile operators more non-neutral action.)

I don't know why you think mobile broadband is in any way going to be better in the non-neutral net.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by tehwebguy on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:42PM (#15749777)
Sure, with tiny data caps and even more artificial restrictions on speeds and content.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by cortesoft on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:36PM (#15750356)
It is unusable for gaming.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by rhino369 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:05PM (#15750044)
The vast majority have some choice. The average household can choose between their telecom or their cable company. In some areas one or both of those companies don't provide broadband, but in the bulk of locations they do.

And while 4g service isn't a true replacement, it provides enough competition to prevent the AOL-ization of the internet. At a certain point, people would choose more expensive wireless over absurdly locked down wireline.

So while Comcast does have a monopoly in some areas, people would switch to Fios or Uverse or local DSL in the areas without monopoly if they tried anything too bad. Hypothetically comcast could try to monetize only in monopoly areas, but that would be a hard sell and it would be very transparent.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by vel0city on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:18PM (#15750199)
Only a little over 50% of households have at least 2 high-speed internet choices[0]. I wouldn't call that the "vast majority".

[0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/06/50-mi...

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by rhino369 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:32PM (#15750309)
25mbps is an arbitrary limit that leaves out ATT and Century links ADSL2+ service, which is fine for most uses.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by jermaustin1 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:58PM (#15750527)
You will have a hard time streaming Netflix/Hulu/VOD on anything < 25mbps.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by rhino369 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:34PM (#15750814)
Should get you to 720p.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by lovehashbrowns on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:07PM (#15751079)
I tried that. It really doesn't, especially when there's congestion. I've had to go down to 240p on Youtube before, especially if I was trying to do something else in the background, e.g. watch Youtube while doing homework, watch Youtube while browsing Reddit/news/any other website with giant JS/CSS/media files/ads.

I was primarily a student then, and trying to skip around in Youtube/online video lectures was an insanely frustrating experience.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by Lev1a on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:08PM (#15751087)
In a day and age where most of the TVs and monitors sold right now are 1080p and up, 720p is not an acceptable maximum resolution for streaming anymore.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by thirdsun on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:57PM (#15751472)
Well, now add a family to the equation and those 25 mbps are anything but enough.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by vast_majority on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:15PM (#15750167)
"The vast majority have some choice"

I challenge this assertion -> please document it.

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by rhino369 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:36PM (#15750353)
60% of the country has three providers of 10mpbs+

90% has two providers of 10mpbs+. One of those is satellite, which sort of sucks, I'll grant you that.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/us-br...

Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by vast_majority on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:41PM (#15750875)
Thanks. I've lived in the north east since before there was IPSs and have never had a choice having lived in several town. Only people in one or two cities near me do. I'd agree satellite isn't a great choice and I am not really counting that (or dialup if it still exists). But is choosing between a telco like Verizon and Comcast/Charter really much of a choice either? So I think those numbers are miss leading. There doesn't feel like any choice to me.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by LocalH on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:14PM (#15752111)
10mbps isn't really useful nowadays. That's 10000kbps not including overhead. That's an absolute max of 1.25MiB per second, realistically if you get 1MiB you're doing well. Back that down a little bit to account for the inability to always reach peak bandwidth, say to 896kiB, and you start to see how you're very limited for common usage. Even web browsing is quite heavy nowadays.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by s73ver_ on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @07:24PM (#15753073)
60% of the country's CENSUS DISTRICTS. Not 60% of the US. If one person in that district has access to the provider, it counts as the whole district, even though that's likely not true.
Re:FCC plan would give Internet providers power to choose th... by dawnerd on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:22PM (#15750238)
I live in a fairly tech heavy area in the PNW and still only have the choice between fiber or super slow dsl. Not really much of a choice if you ask me.