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Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:19AM (#15748904)
> So don't give drug tests?

While I agree that drug tests are a scam as a white collar worker, I do think they're necessary from a liability perspective if you're in construction, manufacturing, or driving a company vehicle.

I fully support the use of recreational drugs on someone's own time, but you have to weed out (forgive the pun) those who are under the influence when loss of life or limb is a risk.

Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by eric_h on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:48AM (#15749211)
I would be okay with drug tests that didn't fail you for weed. That can show up on a test weeks after it's been consumed. The drugs that would actually significantly impair you (alcohol, opiates) clear out of your system in hours/days.
Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by throwawayjava on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:28PM (#15749602)
TBF weed will significantly impair you. Driving a car or operating machinery on weed is super dangerous.

Just not weeks after consumption...

Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by eric_h on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:54PM (#15753563)
TBF it depends on the weed, but yes, I agree that it can significantly impair you.

My point is that the test is testing the wrong thing. A sobriety test would be best.

Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by Kalium on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:08PM (#15750078)
There are drug testing companies that exist solely to farm out the work to a lab and remove any marijuana hits from the results. Some companies in places where weed is legal use these.
Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by sillysaurus3 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:25AM (#15748978)
We don't give breath tests, but people rarely show up drunk. Yet the same arguments apply.

Doesn't that say something about the effectiveness of testing?

Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by Y7ZCQtNo39 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:31AM (#15749045)
I imagine that there is probably an issue with these workers making half of what software engineers make, but with higher expectation of no drug use. I'd imagine recreational drug use is even greater in lower-waged workers.

Culturally, recreational drug use isn't that big of a deal, at least to millennials. You can completely be responsible enough to enjoy some cannabis on personal time, while also doing your 40 hours productively.

Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by smallnamespace on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:53AM (#15749253)
> You can completely be responsible enough to enjoy some cannabis on personal time, while also doing your 40 hours productively.

The problem is one of information from the POV of the employer: they are ultimately responsible for what the worker does on the job.

Even if P(no problem | drug use) = 0.99, the amount of negligent liability they will incur if an accident does occur, the person was intoxicated, and the employer could have checked for drugs, but didn't, is probably so high that they can't take that route.

Re:Blue-collar wages are surging. Can it last? by throwawayjava on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:23AM (#15748945)
So give sobriety tests, not drug tests.