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Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by protonfish on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:04AM (#15747880)
I am starting to get annoyed by the overloaded term "robot." This article is really about automated warehouses. That is interesting, but is sufficiently advanced automation truly robotics? If so, where does it cross that line? Many hobbyist "robotics" (think BattleBots) are just remote-controlled vehicles. Neither have autonomous behavior. It'd be nice to have terms for each but I can't think of what would be appropriate.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by patja on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:38AM (#15749117)
I teach robotics to students age 11 - 14. We have settled on the definition that a robot must do three things: sense, think, act. First thing I do is take away all of the remote controls and tell them they have to program it.

I wish that programs like VEX and FLL would do away with the "tele-operated" portions of their competitions. Kids may enjoy it, but too many of them fall into the trap of treating it all like a remote controlled toy and never get very deep into the programming aspect.

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by imgabe on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:01PM (#15749340)
Having worked on some warehouse automation equipment briefly in the past, I'd say they can meet that definition. The equipment I worked on was called a tilt-tray sorter system.

Packages would arrive along a conveyor belt and get put on a tray in a big train of trays (like a roller coaster for boxes).

A scanner would read a bar code on the package (sense).

The bar code would correspond to a particular loading bay where a truck was waiting that the package needed to be put on. (think - match code with loading bay).

When the tray went around and reached the chute for that loading bay it would tilt up and slide the box down to where it could be loaded (act).

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by Jach on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:28PM (#15751243)
This makes an Alexa device a robot, especially when integrated in a smart house. I don't like that. (It's an occasional source of disagreement I have with a friend.) I think in order to be a robot, it needs movement. Either it can move something that could reasonably be called "itself", or it has direct peripherals like an arm on the same "itself" that can move things around it. Thus giving an Alexa device a robot arm, or some robot wheels, and letting it move itself or manipulate things around itself, would make it a robot, even if most of the brains are in the cloud.

Of course even with the requirement of mechanical motion, you could still argue a toaster is a robot. It's hard to define robot: http://robohub.org/robohub-roundtable-why-is-it-so-difficult...

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by eat_veggies on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:49AM (#15749222)
I don't remember FLL having a teleop mode. Back when I did it, it was fully autonomous, but things may have changed since then.

However, FTC, supposedly the grown up version of FLL, had both teleop and autonomous, and with the way it was scored, all you really needed was a solid teleop to crush regional competitions, so we ended up doing way less programming than in middle school FLL. I believe VEX worked the same way, but I only did it one year, so my memory of it is fuzzy.

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by greenleafjacob on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:37PM (#15768268)
Isn’t it FRC (FIRST Robotics Competition)?

It’s kind of simplistic to say all you need is a good teleop period. In many competitions some teams that had worse teleop were picked because they could consistently score in autonomous, which is pretty good EV.

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by jjjensen90 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:42AM (#15749155)
How and where did you get this job? It sounds like my dream job
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by SpeciesInvader on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:47AM (#15749206)
In Chicago there's a robot store always looking for teachers to help students about that age range (maybe even younger). Can't remember details, but if your city has a robotics store, chances are they can help you get into teaching.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by sspiff on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:20AM (#15747967)
I hope this leads to the revival the use of the truly awesome word "automaton" for autonomous robots!
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by protonfish on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:46AM (#15749188)
Cool. I would have preferred "android" but Google's smartphones ruined that.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by mauimauimaui on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:19AM (#15748394)
I completely agree the word "robot" is entirely overused in inappropriate ways. However, I evaluated the Kiva system shortly before Amazon acquired the company and can say their system meets your definition and, IMHO, is as robotic as a Roomba.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by bigjimmyk3 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:50AM (#15748662)
Seconded -- while the decision-making ability is centralized (not in each individual robot) the system as a whole is still able to make its own decisions in many areas.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by kiba on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:47AM (#15748125)
My definition of a 'robot' is a machine with motor functions and can make its own decision on how to act in reaction to its environment.

For example, a phone isn't a robot, not unless you give it wheels and the ability to act.

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by hugs on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:56AM (#15748205)
By that definition, a clothes dryer with a humidity sensor is a robot. (And I'm fine with that!)
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by eru on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:43AM (#15748614)
My favourite robot is a dishwasher.

Mostly because it is so different from what some people naively imagine when you asked them to think of a design for a robot to wash dishes.

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by 52-6F-62 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:44PM (#15749810)
I have to try that question on people sometime. Sounds like fun.

Also, reminds me of this:

   Status: Alive
http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Amana
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by frandroid on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:17PM (#15752132)
The dishwasher is missing the thinking part... It only ever does the exact thing ordered to it.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by eru on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:38AM (#15757575)
Bashing one's head against the wall in a day long debugging session for some hard bug usually cures people of the opinion that "computers only ever do what we tell them to do" is a serious limitation on their range of behaviours in practice.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by frandroid on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:35PM (#15760363)
The combinations on my dishwasher can fit in a 12 line lookup table.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by icebraining on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:21AM (#15748413)
A phone isn't a robot

Ahem: https://youtu.be/AKCpqqhe-S4?t=1m

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by SurrealSoul on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:44AM (#15748621)
Any phone with a vibration motor would technically be a robot (vibrate when message received)
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by zitterbewegung on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:35PM (#15749699)
Since robotics are almost a field of AI it seems like it has inherited the premise that once it has been completed or in production it ceases to be called robotics .
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by pizza234 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:01PM (#15749335)
This question/doubt has very interesting consequences.

An argument against the thesis that "robots" will lead to catastrophic loss of jobs, is that the concept of "robot" in a strict sense (intended as a sudden similarity to human intelligence/capacity) doesn't really exist, because "robots" are simply a form automation - and civilization has been incrementally developing automation for 250 years by now.

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by canthonytucci on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:24AM (#15747998)
edit :

sorry, this was what I was looking for,

https://www.theincomparable.com/robot/

Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by the-dude on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:33AM (#15748527)
In South Africa traffic lights are called robots.
Re:Robot Makers Fill Their War Chests in Fight Against Amazon by blacksmith_tb on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:08PM (#15750073)
Many traffic lights around the world use buried loops of wire as Hall effect sensors (for example, to register when a car is waiting to make a left turn). So that would pass the sense-think-act test, I'd say, even without considering Smart Traffic Lights[1].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_traffic_light