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Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by smsm42 on Monday November 20, 2017 @07:46PM (#15744662)
Google? Gone. Linux? Destroyed. Mac desktop platform? Gone. Windows mobile? Total monopoly. MSIE? Dominates the world. Java? Completely unknown compared to Microsoft .net offering.

Oh wait, that's not what happened. Maybe some selection bias is going on?

Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by jasode on Monday November 20, 2017 @08:03PM (#15744746)
>Maybe some selection bias is going on?

I think the selection bias is 1980s companies because that was the context. (Linux is 1991, Java 1995, Google 1998, etc)

From the 1980s, the major software companies that's still alive today, you have:

  Intuit (Quicken/TurboTax), 
  Adobe, 
  Computer Associates, 
  Autodesk
Intuit was one of the few that survived direct Microsoft competition from MS Money and MS TaxSaver.

Adobe and Autodesk survived because Microsoft never entered the professional graphics editing market of Photoshop and CAD drafting. If Microsoft did try to compete, they still might have lost to Adobe and Autodesk but it sure helps when Microsoft ignores that market. (Microsoft sort of had a competing edocument standard of XPS to Adobe's PDF but that initiative didn't seem to have all of MS's attention behind it.)

Computer Associates (now CA Technologies) was this weird corporation that basically did a bunch of acquisitions of forgettable companies. I can't think of an instance where CA and Microsoft competed head-to-head. CA bought a database programming 4GL (Nantucket Clipper) in 1992 but the DOS based programming languages were already starting to die by then so MS Visual Basic for Windows didn't really compete fiercely with it.

Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by smsm42 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:43AM (#15746623)
> I think the selection bias is 1980s companies

Most of 1980s companies didn't survive, whether they competed with Microsoft or not. Microsoft did, but that doesn't mean it killed every other company that didn't.

But Microsoft competed with Apple, and Apple didn't die. Xenix - Microsoft's UNIX offering - went nowhere (though it wasn't even MS product, technically), and other Unixes still alive. In DOS times, there were pretty successful competitors to MS-DOS (of course, those died when DOS computing died, but I'm not sure this qualifies as direct competition).

Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by scholia on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:27PM (#15752699)
I think CA was correctly described as a "bottom feeder"...

It was a scavenger that extracted the remaining value from failing and failed companies.

I'm not saying it was bad for the ecosystem ;-)

Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by Zardoz84 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:17AM (#15746269)
I remember that CA had a ofimatic suite that was stored on a few floppies on early 90's. I had a free copy somewhere...
Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by bluedino on Monday November 20, 2017 @09:41PM (#15745125)
>> Linux? Destroyed >> Mac desktop platform? Gone. These two have what, 6% of the personal computer OS market?

>> MSIE? Dominates the world.

IE did dominate the world. Remember Netscape? IE was at like 90% in the early 2000's until Firefox showed up.

>> Java? Completely unknown

Never made much of an impact on the desktop. What's the most widely used Java desktop app? Was there ever one? Eclipse/Netbeans comes to mind.

Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by smsm42 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:33AM (#15746580)
> IE did dominate the world

For a brief period. So did many other short-term phenomena, from BASIC to MS Access to Clipper to Pacman. And now they are stuff for the museums. Except for Pacman, of course.

> Never made much of an impact on the desktop

So? It still survived competition with Microsoft - and, arguably, won on every platform except Windows, non-Windows .net use is still basically zero and Linux rules server world, so...

> What's the most widely used Java desktop app?

I honestly have no idea. Well, Eclipse of course, IntelliJ suite of tools, probably, but it could be some other apps are Java too and I just don't know it. The point is Java is alive and well despite competition from mighty invincible Microsoft.

Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by oculusthrift on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:44AM (#15746627)
does minecraft count
Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by hasenj on Monday November 20, 2017 @09:59PM (#15745179)
> What's the most widely used Java desktop app? Was there ever one? Eclipse/Netbeans comes to mind.

Ironic, because these are just Java IDEs.

Re:Microsoft Has It All—Almost (1985) by smsm42 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:34AM (#15746586)
Eclipse is way more than just Java IDE. In fact, I've been using Eclipse for many years for a number of purposes, and 80% of that time - not as Java IDE.