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Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by specialp on Sunday November 19, 2017 @11:25PM (#15737797)
The NYC subway system started as 3 organizations; only one of which was city owned. I am normally not for privatization but it is probably the only thing that can save the MTA. The NYT points out a lack of funding but really their funding has not dropped tremendously. Politicians do not have the right mindset to run this. Sure Democrats tend to spend more on infrastructure, but then support obscene union contracts. MTA police make 130k + The LIRR has conductors that clip tickets getting paid 80k base with tons of overtime and benefits. The maintenance workers are (un)lucky if they work more than 3 hrs a day. There is nothing that is going to change with this unless someone goes in and rips it apart as the union is politically powerful and politicians have other interests than running the subway properly.
Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by gggvvh on Sunday November 19, 2017 @11:58PM (#15737898)
> MTA police make 130k+

Do you actually know a real person who makes that much, or are you just parroting?

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 20, 2017 @12:11AM (#15737956)
The average MTA employee made $70 thousand in 2010 [1]. That’s nearly $80 thousand today [2].

In those data, one sees Mr. Arthur Harkin, a Long Island Rail Road conductor, made $195,000. ($220 thousand in 2017 dollars.)

[1] https://www.empirecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/MTA-...

[2] https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=69.489&year1=2...

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by ForHackernews on Monday November 20, 2017 @05:39AM (#15739021)
> The average MTA employee made $70 thousand in 2010

So about the same as the average CRUD app developer? This doesn't seem outrageous to me.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by geodel on Monday November 20, 2017 @10:40AM (#15740641)
But CRUD app developers are most precious resources on earth. Other people should not really exist after providing services, food, security and on demand rides etc.
Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by L_Rahman on Monday November 20, 2017 @12:10AM (#15737949)
My uncle is one of those people who sits in subway booths. He does almost nothing.

He makes 80k a year.

My political ideology is deeply in favor of the working class. I believe in strong worker protections, in the unionization of labor in most industries, and that capital controls a disproportionate amount of wealth and power in this country.

But I must also insist that these costs are unfair and insane.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by pravda on Monday November 20, 2017 @01:10AM (#15738130)
He makes a lot more than 80k a year!

He's also getting about another 70k in benefits, for a total compensation well into the 6-figures.

People wonder "why is the subway so filthy?" Well, if you wanted to hire people to keep the subways clean, they would have to be paid $100K+ in total compensation.

Ok, so why not hire a private company to keep subways clean? A private company would be able to pay free-market compensation to hire cleaners.

Can't do that either! Subways must stay filthy!

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 20, 2017 @01:16AM (#15738164)
> People wonder "why is the subway so filthy?"

Because we run our system 24/7. We can’t flood our stations with bleach like they do in D.C.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by pravda on Monday November 20, 2017 @01:33AM (#15738220)
From the NYT article comments:

"In terms of cleanliness, which is also an issue of public health - why doesn't MTA have a dedicated crew of 4 or 5 people with a power washer, soap and squeegees to move methodically through each station, working on the weekends or overnight? "

Can't have it, because the MTA is not in the moving-people-business, they are in the wealth-transfer-business.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by cr1895 on Monday November 20, 2017 @04:22AM (#15738750)
In fact, MTA have been investing in vacuum cleaning systems for the tracks with the aim of reducing fires that lead to delays. You're being disingenuous. Here's an article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/nyregion/with-new-vacuums...

So it's frankly absurd of the commenter to say that just 4-5 people could manage this task. One manager mentioned in the article leads a team of 300(!) cleaners.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by pravda on Monday November 20, 2017 @11:54AM (#15741278)
That's the subway tracks. They are forced to clean debris off the subway tracks, otherwise the trains can't run.

But where the people are, the stations, they don't keep them clean. That's what the commenter was refering to.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by pavel_lishin on Monday November 20, 2017 @09:34PM (#15745103)
They do have those teams. I've seen them work; they've got power washers, and they blast the stations. They cleaned my previous-local station once every few months, at least.

The stations don't stay clean because they move millions of people per day, not all of whom are clean. Today I saw a kid throwing up on her way into the station; she and her mother were somehow polite enough to pause above a drain to do so. Combine that with people tracking upstairs dirt in, and littering, intentional and accidental (I dropped a candy wrapper while getting my kid home; I'm not stopping to pick it up mid-tantrum), and you've got a pretty messy situation.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by tooltalk on Monday November 20, 2017 @02:46AM (#15738438)
Why is that so difficult to believe?

https://nypost.com/2015/07/16/heres-why-your-subway-fare-kee...

I used to work for a far less offensive agency in NYC, a public library system, and IT managers there make a cool $200K -- though most librarians who are in unions make much less. I wouldn't feel too bad if they were competent folks who deserve the market rates, but many of them didn't really deserve what they were getting.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by specialp on Monday November 20, 2017 @11:03AM (#15740846)
Yes I know a real person that works for MTA police but no he didn't make 130k, he made 195k. Go on seethroughny.net and look it up. Try to find MTA police NOT making over 130k. Keep in mind this also includes 20 yr retirement with state tax free pension.
Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by beisner on Monday November 20, 2017 @12:08AM (#15737943)
Article from 2010. Apparently a major chunk comes from overtime. https://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/mta-police-bring-in-bi...
Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by jcranmer on Monday November 20, 2017 @12:12AM (#15737962)
I don't doubt that such people exist, but it's definitely not the norm. If you start with a base salary of 70k or so (not terribly unreasonable if you've got seniority), you rack up overtime (usually at 1.5× multiplier), and you work lousy shifts like nights and holidays, making 130k isn't impossible.