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Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by pygy_ on Sunday November 19, 2017 @05:30AM (#15733261)
Survival of the fittest? The birds that do it could fare better that those that don't, leading to a healthier offspring, etc...
Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by giomasce on Sunday November 19, 2017 @06:57AM (#15733526)
Not an expert, but I do not think that you need an evolutionary explanation: birds are often not stupid, and can simply observe that nests with more cigarettes have less parasites.
Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by pygy_ on Sunday November 19, 2017 @03:16PM (#15735708)
Do birds spend time observing the nest of their peers? AFAIK the only nests they care about are their own (though I'm definitely not an ornithologist, I'm mostly ignorant about them in general).

But that's the beauty of Darwinism, whether the information is stored in the genes or in their culture (memetically) doesn't matter, the selection/amplification process is the same.

Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by erikpukinskis on Sunday November 19, 2017 @06:12PM (#15736491)
Sure. Birds die, other birds take over nest.
Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by observation on Sunday November 19, 2017 @12:20PM (#15734765)
We know they're capable of passing complex information onto each other. What "a bad man's face" looks like for instance, I'm sure some of HN has seen the documentaries on their abilities.

I wonder if they choose nesting material based on insulation properties also. Cigarette stubs are probably great for stuffing into cracks and it is known that plugging air gaps dramatically increases whole house/nest insulation value.

Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by visarga on Sunday November 19, 2017 @06:23AM (#15733420)
Yep, same way AlphaGo Zero learned to play. It evolved, generation by generation, by selection. People think an agent can't solve a problem unless it has full understanding, but that's not true, selection based on fitness can do it.
Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by posterboy on Sunday November 19, 2017 @03:39PM (#15735814)
Cue fun time with etymology: understand translated to Latin and back yields support, which is significant, kinda, because support vectors are one model of machine intelligence, while DNA is basically a vector, in terms of transcription, or a matrix even, looking closer at the base molecules.

disclaimer: I have n o idea about support vectors, to be honest

Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by visarga on Monday November 20, 2017 @03:31AM (#15738614)
Support Vector Machines (SVMs) are a classification technique that was in vogue before 2012, with great results for smallish problems. It's still useful today, but less talked about, I mean, it's just assumed as common knowledge.
Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by anton-107 on Sunday November 19, 2017 @06:41AM (#15733470)
i'm wondering if 15-25 generations (that's approximately how many generations of garden birds were there since the invention of the cigarettes with filters) are enough for evolution to actually show this trend here
Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by michaelbuckbee on Sunday November 19, 2017 @08:03AM (#15733736)
Tangentially related - there was the russian experiment on fox domestication that had decent success in selecting for "tameability" with just 3 generations.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160912-a-soviet-scientist-c...

Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by visarga on Monday November 20, 2017 @03:35AM (#15738623)
I think some birds are actually pretty smart and can learn by imitating other birds, so it's a cultural thing. All it takes is one bird to discover it.

Take a look at this video: "Crow uses a vending machine". It was an experiment where they trained crows to collect coins and put them into a vending machine for a few grains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSsVBPh9Lo

Re:Some birds use discarded cigarettes to fumigate their nests by make3 on Sunday November 19, 2017 @02:07PM (#15735326)
not that fast