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Re:Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t he... by Barrin92 on Saturday November 18, 2017 @04:19PM (#15730764)
>What about the minor detail that the oligarchs existed not only before Putin, but before Yeltsin, his predecessor, as well (not that they didn't grow under Yeltsin, but still)?

Nobody is doubting that. The country wasn't liberal or less oligarchic under Yeltsin, it was just as oligarchic under Soviet rule. Russia never meaningfully deviated from this course.

And this doesn't just come from a 'westerner far removed from Russia'. I have family in the country and lived there and I have experienced the degree of corruption not just under Putin but his predecessors personally.

Re:Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t he... by lawnchair_larry on Saturday November 18, 2017 @04:39PM (#15730855)
Not everyone would agree that things are good now, or perhaps not even anyone, but it seems like most agree that they have at least improved dramatically since Yeltsin. You're disagreeing with this and saying it has not meaningfully deviated?

Also, why do you believe that the corruption you experienced was because of the leader, rather than despite the leader's efforts?

I do not think anyone would even try to claim that Russia does not have a corruption problem. Putin himself has discussed it at length, particularly expressing frustration over how it cripples the economy, which is probably his biggest obsession.

Furthermore, and I am assuming here, but unless you're from an extremely important family, it seems unlikely that the flavor of corruption you would experience is even in the same universe as what the oligarchs and president are dealing with. This goes back to the idea of him being the mafia boss CEO of literally everything.

Re:Kaspersky: Yes, we obtained NSA secrets. No, we didn’t he... by Barrin92 on Saturday November 18, 2017 @05:41PM (#15731061)
>Also, why do you believe that the corruption you experienced was because of the leader, rather than despite the leader's efforts?

because of the programs he has put in place. Role of state owned entreprises has nearly doubled up to 70% of the economy, he has consciously put these close friends in place, he has cut down on any form of opposition and dissent within the country. It is the official course of his politics. The Russian government is not even hiding this, which makes the constant apologia from people not even affected by it seem only more baffling.