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Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by sp332 on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:00AM (#15723041)
This site is all about politics. Free speech, open internet, regulation of large corporations, venture capital and small businesses and how health care and taxes and incentives affect them, housing crises in our various backyards - it has a deep and immediate connection to the "technical, scientific, and business" topics.
Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by watty on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:23AM (#15723338)
I disagree. Some of those are related to technology or are an interesting new phenomenon but in this case it doesn't fit.

The guidelines specifically state that this would be an "off-topic" submission. If these types of topics are wanted then the guidelines should be modified or a separate section should be created.

Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by adventured on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:19AM (#15723289)
I don't think it's possible to separate tech from politics unless it's an extremely narrow focus on strict scientific & technical discussion. The site would lose most of its value under those conditions, as it's populated by humans that interact or collide with politics on a frequent basis in very important ways.

Commerce, communications, privacy, speech, expression, lifestyle, journalism, entertainment & culture, knowledge, societal debate, government, money, wealth - it all increasingly flows through technology/platforms that techies, nerds, geeks (whatever term you prefer) now heavily influence or directly control.

There's no going back, it's all going to get more political rather than less as governments gets deeper into assigning regulations to the Internet.

Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by Fnoord on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:07AM (#15723136)
Not only that, all those topics you mentioned are related to technology. They're deeply intertwined. That happened the moment technology became ever more important in our lives.

The people who only want to discuss, for example, Android from technical merits and completely leave out any privacy aspect are the ones who have an agenda. They're trying to silence our concerns. We should downvote their opinion as its akin to complains about moderation.

Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by quotemstr on Friday November 17, 2017 @12:10PM (#15723815)
Political totalism is itself a political position --- a bad and exhausting one that turns communities into ideological battlegrounds.

It should be obvious that we can have a conversation about, say, the Android low memory killer's process ordering strategy without having to talk about the social implications of website cookie tracking or whatever.

Yes, mobile technology as a whole is connected to privacy. That doesn't mean that any particular detail of that technology is relevant to any particular political cause, and it doesn't give people the right to inject social issues into discussions into technical matters. You can't be intellectually honest, keep a straight face, and claim that malloc chunking is "deeply intertwined" with some pet political cause.

One reason the West has gone mad the past few years is this bizarre emphasis on the old, bad "the personal is the political" idea. No, it isn't.

Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by sp332 on Friday November 17, 2017 @01:23PM (#15724544)
It seems like politics is elbowing its way into tech and entrepreneurship. I mean I wish people didn't have to worry about upcoming healthcare legislation when considering launching a new small business. But it's hard to talk about Apple as a company without mentioning the huge amount of money it's holding offshore. Tax policy has become a stand-out feature of big tech companies.
Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by Fnoord on Friday November 17, 2017 @12:44PM (#15724125)
Those examples are indeed not directly related to politics, but indirectly they are because Android and software in general are. Its not as if there's some kind of 0/1 bit which suddenly lights up: "this is about politics." There's nuance, shades of grey.

Furthermore, we don't always discuss Android's low memory killer's process or malloc chunking; we also discuss iPhone's latest authentication measure FaceID or we discuss the latest inclusions of the Linux kernel. Both of which are more easily related to politics.

> One reason the West has gone mad the past few years [...]

What? Nice political comment.

Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by aeorgnoieang on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:52AM (#15723620)
> That happened the moment technology became ever more important in our lives.

Which would be when our ancestors first began making hand tools and using fire, right?

Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by Fnoord on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:00PM (#15726353)
Fair enough, technology has always been around. If you look at the history of cryptography, same. Cryptography is very old as well.

However it has become increasingly dominant over our lives with the invention of things like the Internet, computer, car, smartphone, magnetron, and a whole plethora of inventions which I cannot even fathom.

Take for example a very obvious example: electronic voting. It has to do with technology and politics. Should we avoid discussing that? Should we avoid discussing the privacy topics of Facebook? Google? Should we avoid all the topics brought up by a series such as Black Mirror? [1]

And why is it that with non-political topics (as for as these exist) we should be allowed to vote on them, whereas as soon as politics get somehow involved it should be avoided on HN? And, since politics isn't a clear proposition, where do we draw the line?

[1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2085059/

Re:The Paradise Papers: How Ridiculously Easy It Is for the ... by philipodonnell on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:32AM (#15723419)
Some politics, yes. But tax avoidance by individuals... I don't know about that one.