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Re:On Being Midwestern: The Burden of Normality by cmrdporcupine on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:23PM (#15717239)
Look you're free to use language (and downvotes) however you want, but I and others are merely pointing out that you are applying a very broad brush which basically amounts to "I can see similarities here, so I'll just call them the same thing" -- Marx may have had a 'subsume[d] sense of morality' in his analysis of capitalism but that doesn't mean anybody who has a similar sense of morality about another topic is now a Marxist.

Socrates is a man, all men are mortal, not all mortals are Socrates.

Re:On Being Midwestern: The Burden of Normality by stcredzero on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:47PM (#15717407)
Look you're free to use language (and downvotes) however you want

I've not downvoted you, at least in this thread. HN doesn't let you downvote in threads you participate in.

"I can see similarities here, so I'll just call them the same thing"

Isn't that how it works, especially with ideologies and models?

Socrates is a man, all men are mortal, not all mortals are Socrates.

Yes, but I'm talking about specific principles, not just species membership. Socrates spoke greek. He lived in Athens. Not all mortals are Athenian, but Socrates surely was an Athenian. There is a specific problem when one deals with people as groups, as in race and class, in that one tends to throw individuals under the bus for not towing the line of the group. Historically, this can number in the tens of thousands or the tens of millions.

Re:On Being Midwestern: The Burden of Normality by throwawayjava on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:22PM (#15717970)
> Isn't that how it works, especially with ideologies and models?

No. Ideologies are labels that have meanings, sometimes very specific meanings. And even though there are overlaps between some ideologies and others, conflating terms is still disingenuous and unhelpful.

Marx believed in profit-motive, to be sure. That doesn't make Marx a Capitalist. Calling all "collectivists" Marxists is similarly silly.

> Yes, but...

Your parent was making a comment about the flawed logic in your argument justifying your misuse of the term "Marxism", not your overall opinion on identity politics.

Your response is totally irrelevant to that criticism.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism