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Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by stcredzero on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:08PM (#15714953)
Then, there's the Houston bus system ca. mid 2000's, where the bus might leave several minutes early or several minutes late. Imagine not making your connection in 100+ degree Fahrenheit 90+ humidity while dressed for a job interview. Contrast this with the Minneapolis bus system, where you could time the busses at stops within 2 minutes in the central city, even while a foot of snow covered the ground. Both systems used essentially the same equipment -- same models and manufacturers.
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by rayiner on Thursday November 16, 2017 @02:04PM (#15715472)
Then there is the Wilmington, DE, bus system, where the posted schedule is completely made up. You just go and stand at a stop for 20-40 minutes until a bus comes. (It may or may not, sometimes the drivers decide to just clock out their shift early.)
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by alexasmyths on Thursday November 16, 2017 @02:36PM (#15715791)
This might be rational, actually.

Given the inherent randomness of traffic, it might just make more rational sense to have busses at 'intervals' instead of specific times.

Might make for more throughput.

Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by rayiner on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:25PM (#15716272)
That really only works if your intervals are relatively short, not where they’re 30-60 minutes, as in Wilmington.
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by johannes1234321 on Friday November 17, 2017 @06:46AM (#15721212)
Traffic isn't fully random. Rush hour peaks happen about the same time etc.

Handling that is an infrastructure and priority question. Given the political will one can build bus lanes and equip buses with a radio system which enables priority on traffic lights. In my hometown (Munich, Germany) this works quite well and most buses see mostly green lights.

Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by seanmcdirmid on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:39PM (#15715260)
There are many systems that just go with frequency rather than a schedule, which works more efficiently for routes with lots of trips. I’m surprised Japan uses a schedule, but maybe it’s just for inter city service and not say subways?
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by JBlue42 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:48PM (#15715332)
Which is fine as long as that frequency is frequent enough that waiting people aren't suffering, right?

There was a discussion on reddit recently talking about this issue in context of LA's buses. People don't mind if the bus is on time if there's one every 5-10 minutes but in non-rush hour times, having to wait 20+ min at a stop is too long.

Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by khedoros1 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:12PM (#15718208)
If I'm remembering correctly, it's literally a schedule. They give you a minute-precision schedule on an electronic sign: http://images.freeimages.com/images/previews/c5b/jr-train-st...

In normal situations, the arrival time doesn't change, and the train pulls in within seconds of the right time. It is startlingly precise (to someone used to American transit), even during high traffic times in the middle of Tokyo.

Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by marak830 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:30PM (#15716312)
There are schedules for the subways, but also a very high frequency for trains.

Off the top of my head, during busy hours for me going towards Tokyo there would be a train every 5-8 minutes. (And there are multiple lines, although I'm quite far out, so they condense as they get closer).

Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by amatecha on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:16PM (#15716703)
I mean, "the bus might leave several minutes early" describes the bus system in Vancouver, current day. I used to tweet them frequently because a bus I had arrived on time for was already long gone (evidenced by the complete lack of a line of people waiting, when normally it would be a long lineup).
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by megy on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:58PM (#15717481)
> Then, there's the Houston bus system ca. mid 2000's, where the bus might leave several minutes early or several minutes late.

Yes, only Houston has this problem, not almost every single bus system in the world.

Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by michel-slm on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:38PM (#15716383)
Minnesota always struck me as very... Scandinavian. Must try and visit in summer when it's not so cold.
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by 2trill2spill on Thursday November 16, 2017 @02:05PM (#15715480)
> Contrast this with the Minneapolis bus system, where you could time the busses at stops within 2 minutes in the central city, even while a foot of snow covered the ground. Both systems used essentially the same equipment -- same models and manufacturers.

Aghh, I hate the Minneapolis bus system, I remember two times in the winter when the bus just didn't come, real nice when it's -8F outside. Or buses being 15 minutes late. But worse of all are the bus drivers themselves. However the Blue Line and Green Line follow the schedule much better then the buses. If your in Minneapolis your best off either driving, biking, taking LRT or catching a Lyft or Uber.

Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by stcredzero on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:59PM (#15716563)
Well yes, the system didn't work nearly as well if you were going or travelling from farther out. That's yet another data point to indicate that it's as much about political will as it is about environment.
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by 2trill2spill on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:40PM (#15716914)
I wasn't far out, I was In Uptown a busy area of Minneapolis a couple miles south of downtown.
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by stcredzero on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:49PM (#15716993)
I was just 8 blocks north of the office I worked at.
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by 2trill2spill on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:53PM (#15717031)
Downtown? But do you live in Minneapolis or have you lived in Minneapolis because your profile says "Bay Area iOS Developer"?
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by stcredzero on Thursday November 16, 2017 @11:02PM (#15718793)
I commuted between Minneapolis and Houston in 2008. I had an apartment in both cities.
Re:Apology after Japanese train departs 20 seconds early by 2trill2spill on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:43PM (#15716933)
Got to like all the down voters. Do any of you live in Minneapolis or have any experience taking the bus system there? I seriously doubt it.