Re:Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?
by icebraining on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:13PM
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The police is tasked with physically restraining and imprisoning certain people. That's violence, whether they do it with a gun or not. Litla-Hraun is not an hotel.
Considerations about the aggressiveness of the US police force specifically are certainly an important topic, but wholly irrelevant here. I'm not from the US, nor was their brand of policing on my mind when commented.
Re:Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?
by indubitable on Friday November 17, 2017 @12:22AM
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Right they meet even violent offenders with "physical restraint" so long as they are not met with violence. And "physical restraint" is little more than asking a person to turn around and cuffing them, and in some cases - that's not even involved.
We could discuss the ethics of imprisonment, and I expect we'd agree. But you certainly can't claim that police's task is to deal out violence - particularly preemptive.
Re:Is billionaire VC Peter Thiel trying to break up Google?
by icebraining on Friday November 17, 2017 @02:57AM
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You have a funny concept of violence if abduction and imprisonment under threat of physical force don't count. I guess the robber that steals at knifepoint is also non-violent if he doesn't actually plunge it when the victim complies?
And that blurring supports the point. As police face more regular violence, they themselves tend to become more violent, leading to even more violence against them, and vice versa. In countries where the police face no violence, they often are not even armed. Take for instance Iceland which may have an even greater percent of their population armed than the US (our per capita ownership rate is so high because many gun owners own many guns) - yet their police are unarmed. 2013 was a sad year for Iceland. It was the first year that their police fired a gun at a civilian, ever [1].
It always leads to sort of 'which came first the chicken or the egg' type question, but the point is absolutely clear that intolerance breeds intolerance in much the same way that violence breeds violence. And it's quite sad watching people fall into this. People don't seem to understand that nearly all the evil in this world is and has been done by people who felt they were the 'good guys.' "No no, it's different this time. We really are the good guys! History will prove us right!" Said everybody, ever.
[1] - https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2013/1203/Lots-of-gun...