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Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by lisper on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @11:33AM (#15704969)
The cap gains is also a big factor. Even if prop 13 were not a factor, the higher prices go, the more expensive it becomes to make a lateral move, or even to downsize.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by notyourday on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @11:46AM (#15705129)
This is pure nonsense.

Lateral move or downsize are two different transactions. Capital gains has no effect on the second one.

People who are complaining about the capital gains taxes pretending that such taxes prevent them from either moving laterally or downsizing are complaining that other properties also appreciated in price. What they would have preferred is that their property appreciated and the properties they wanted to move to did not.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by Shaanie on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @12:12PM (#15705374)
If I buy a house for 50k and want to immediately move laterally to another house worth 50k then the cost is 0 + overhead. If I buy a house for 50k and want to move laterally when it's worth 100k then the cost is the taxes of the 50k profit + overhead.

This gets even worse if you want to buy a larger house (if appreciation is percentage based).

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by notyourday on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @01:37PM (#15706431)
That's not correct.

In the second case:

You bought a house for $50k, which in a year appreciated to $100k. You sell the house for $100k, pay the capital gains of X% on the $50k of appreciation which gets you $100k - ($50k * X% ) to play with.

You lateral move would not be to a house worth $100k, it would be to a house worth $100k-($50k * X%) because you d not have $100k, you only have $100 - (50k * X%).

If you wanted to defer capital gains and play with entire 100k, then instead of doing a sale you would do 1031 exchange.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by lisper on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @12:14PM (#15705390)
> Capital gains has no effect on the second one.

Of course it does. A loss is a loss. It doesn't matter whether it comes out of your checking account or your home equity.

> What they would have preferred is that their property appreciated and the properties they wanted to move to did not.

That's generally not an option if you want to move locally.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by notyourday on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @01:39PM (#15706470)
if you sell your asset for less than what you paid for it there's no capital gain, and hence there's no tax.

> That's generally not an option if you want to move locally.

You don't get to have your cake ( gain money on a sale of appreciated house) and eat it too ( buy at the price before the appreciation )

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by eT8AZithxooKei6 on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @03:41PM (#15707543)
I believe that lisper is saying that he would prefer not to have his cake.