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Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by lisper on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @11:31AM (#15704956)
> #1 only consumes a percentage of profits, sit it can't make a sale unprofitable.

Yes, that's true, but it makes a move less efficient. If we sell our house and buy another one of equal value, the higher the price, the more we lose in capital gain tax in the transition. If our house had not appreciated, we would pay zero cap gains. The higher prices go, the more expensive it becomes to move locally.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by dmode on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @12:12PM (#15705376)
If your house didn't appreciate you would not have any profits either. Very confused on what the issue is.

Let's say your house is 1mn and stays 1mn. You have zero gains and pay zero taxes. Net cash in your bank = ZERO

Now your house becomes 2mn. So you have 1mn profit, first 500K is exempt. And you pay 25% on your next 500k. Net cash = 750K.

Are you suggesting that you would rather have zero dollars in your bank account than 750 K?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by taysic on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @10:01PM (#15709977)
I think the issue is that if housing prices hadn't gone up, they could buy a house of equal price without triggering capital gains.

So if your house is 1m and 10 years later stays at 1m, then you can swap for any other house in the neighborhood.

If your house was 1m but in 10 years becomes 2m, and all the other houses in the neighborhood are now 2m... you would hypothetically not be able to swap for another home. You now have 1.75m to buy with. A good problem to have, no doubt.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by wott on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @12:37PM (#15705666)
He does not want to fill his bank account and be homeless. He wants a house. To be bought with the same money. That does not go into the bank account but into the new house.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by Retric on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @02:20PM (#15706893)
You can use that 750,000$ to buy anywhere else that's not inflated. If you want to buy a house in an inflated area you end up in the same situation as anyone else that wants to buy a house in an inflated area.

AKA, if a prison opened up next to their current house keeping property values the same then they would be strictly worse off.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by megy on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @08:01PM (#15709466)
He has the original $1m to buy a house.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by Retric on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @11:57AM (#15705231)
The first 500,000$ of capital gains are excluded when selling a primary residence jointly. So, if your net profit > 500,000$ yes it costs money, but if your actually downsizing then you will very likely come out ahead. Further, your new home is also worth more money in the event you move out of the area.
Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by lisper on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @12:00PM (#15705270)
> if your net profit > 500,000$

It is.

> yes it costs money but assuming you want to down size that should hardly be an issue.

Why? A loss is a loss. What difference does it make if it comes out of your checking account or your home equity?

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by Marazan on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @12:21PM (#15705479)
You home equity is only realised when you sell.

There is no loss. There is only the money you get net after the sale.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by Retric on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @02:06PM (#15706770)
You also save that 500,000$ of appreciation when selling the second house. AKA, if house 1 gained 2 million and house 2 gained 2 million your better off than if house 1 gained 4 million.

Now, you can get into cash flow issues etc. But, with home interest being tax deductible and long term capital gains being below normal taxes your almost always better off over time to sell after a bubble than before.

PS: If your investment makes 4% and your mortgage is 5% then you have a net savings after taxes.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by lisper on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @02:29PM (#15706972)
> if house 1 gained 2 million and house 2 gained 2 million your better off than if house 1 gained 4 million.

No, that's not true because the $500k cap gains exemption is per-transaction.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by Retric on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @04:00PM (#15707713)
> cap gains exemption is per transaction.

Reread what I said?

That's why 2 houses with 2 mill gains is better than 1 house with a 4 million gain.

Selling 1 house with a 4 million gain is one transaction with a 500k cap so you pay taxes on 3.5 million. But selling one house with a 2 million gain then another house with another 2 million gain is 2 transactions so you pay capital gains on 3 million and get an extra 500k tax free.

Remember, until you sell the second house it's value is meaningless but when do sell it's purchase price and value become important.

Re:The Shock of Sweden's Housing Market Is Hitting the Count... by lisper on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @04:48PM (#15708165)
You're right, sorry, I misread it. I'm losing the battle of trying to keep up with all the branches of this thread.