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Re:Germany Is Burning Too Much Coal by Bartweiss on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @05:48PM (#15699966)
> We've seen severe problems and gross negligence in American, French and Dutch reactors, as well. Oh, and in German ones, of course.

Have we? The problems aren't just in Russia, but they're drastically less bad than Chernobyl.

Three Mile Island was essentially a worst case for internal meltdowns, and didn't involve any actual radiation release. Fukushima was vastly worse, but the problems revealed were remedied at similarly-designed reactors worldwide. (And most of those weren't nearly so exposed to severe storms.)

I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to with French and Dutch reactors, I'll have to look into that.

But overall, most of the things profiled as "severe problems and gross negligence" appear to have caused zero fatalities and zero radiation release. I know organizations like Rolling Stone have been running accounts of how the NRC is terrible and American nuclear plants are in crisis, but the problems raised don't actually amount to radiation risks.

I've never seen a convincing claim that the examples of actual release or meltdown risk, as opposed to mere sloppy management, are 'legion'.

> more coal and that this is a difficult decision

10,000 fatalities from coal per year in the USA alone. I agree that there's a tradeoff here, but I honestly have no idea why it's 'difficult'. Even the Chernobyl disaster is going to kill fewer people than coal kills when everything goes according to plan.

Re:Germany Is Burning Too Much Coal by whyever on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @05:37AM (#15702812)
> But overall, most of the things profiled as "severe problems and gross negligence" appear to have caused zero fatalities and zero radiation release.

I'm not sure this is enough. "We almost head a nuclear meltdown in a densely populated area but zero fatalities so far!" is not inspiring confidence that there will be no fatalities in the future.

> 10,000 fatalities from coal per year in the USA alone.

Where did you get that number?

Re:Germany Is Burning Too Much Coal by Bartweiss on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @10:46AM (#15704508)
I agree that this is a tail risk situation, I don't mean to imply "no issues so far" is enough to make it safe.

Three Mile Island isn't evidence of safety just because no one died, what matters to me is that there was no realistic route beyond "shielded meltdown". A lot of the fears raised by opponents of nuclear appear to be outright impossible. (Sadly realistic fears, mostly around hot waste disposal, don't seem to get as much coverage.)

The coal number is deaths from health effects of coal burning. Estimates vary widely, but 7,500 is a minimum and 10k is conservative. It's worse per capita and per watt in other countries, too - US plants are cleanish and US coal is low-particulate. Moving China onto nuclear power would be a vastly bigger gain (even per watt) than the US.

Accidental deaths are nontrivial for power sources, but don't dominate pollution effects. Coal is mostly pollution-derived because it's so dirty, oil is a mix because rigs are dangerous, wing & solar are wholly accident-based simply because there's no lethal pollution there. Nuclear causes approximately zero deaths of any kind, but again, tail risk.

US source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-other-reason-...

Global deaths/TwH source: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-ener...

Re:Germany Is Burning Too Much Coal by whyever on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @03:44PM (#15707558)
Thanks for the links!

In addition to the yet unsolved waste disposal problem you mentioned, there is the problem of mining the nuclear fuel. This can be quite dangerous to the miners, especially in countries with lax security standards. I would expect the most deaths due to nuclear power happen there.