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Re:Chances of E.T. Living Subsurface Ocean of Enceladus Give... by vadimberman on Monday November 13, 2017 @09:37PM (#15692169)
1. Tools made of bone or very hard stone.

2. Different type of oxidation.

3. Work with air bubbles; people fished and dived since time immemorial not being able to survive underwater.

4. No one said the ocean has to be a water ocean, how about ammonia?

5. The first space launches of the hypothetical aquatic species may involve air-breathing animals, or it may be delayed until the automation reached a sufficiently high level.

The technological path is not linear. For example, the Aztecs had advanced societies and infrastructure but no utilitarian wheel: http://www.zoesaadia.com/real-smart-folks-but-no-wheel/.

Re:Chances of E.T. Living Subsurface Ocean of Enceladus Give... by dogma1138 on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @01:13PM (#15697592)
Again show me an evolutionary path, ammonia is still a solvent, solvents prevent you from doing controlled complex chemistry.