Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A.

Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by badrabbit on Sunday November 12, 2017 @02:03PM (#15682055)

In any military force,turning your weapon against your own people is worse than being a traitor,running from battle in cowardice or surrendering to the enemy.

Their continued attack(yes,using malware and implants against someone is an attack) against their own people is in my opinion completely shameful and unpatriotic.

As someone who has no intention of breaking any law or of harming the united states,it is simply not ok for me to have to include my government as part of any threat model or as a potential attacker.

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by ethbro on Sunday November 12, 2017 @02:26PM (#15682164)

This would be your person opinion, given that the militaries of the US, the UK, China, Russia, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Spain, etc. (probably easier to name those that haven't) have officially performed such actions, with the soldiers in question receiving official honors and rewards?

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by Zelphyr on Sunday November 12, 2017 @02:41PM (#15682237)

Just because a lot of countries have done it doesn't make it any less shameful.

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by ethbro on Sunday November 12, 2017 @02:57PM (#15682322)

It does mean it's not universally held to be shameful.

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by pm90 on Sunday November 12, 2017 @08:19PM (#15683557)

I don't think that's the case either. Its more of a "ain't broken so why fixit" problem which hasn't affected people on a personal level just yet, so it isn't regulated as much.

Its astonishing to me that in the US it requires a court order to tap someone's phone and yet the NSA collects and analyzes the online data of US citizens...

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by ethbro on Monday November 13, 2017 @12:07AM (#15684411)

No, I mean it literally isn't universally shameful. In that in most countries obeying an order to fire on civilians, or doing so because you believe your life is in danger, will not result in penalties. Because "it's what you do" or "us against them" from some perspectives.

See the response to Kent State [1], in which all legal attempts to hold the guardsmen who opened fire responsible failed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#Legal_act...

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by retailbuyout on Sunday November 12, 2017 @05:52PM (#15683013)

Militaries have shame?!?!

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by badrabbit on Sunday November 12, 2017 @04:39PM (#15682767)

Their soldiers shot their own people and received rewards? I find that hard to believe. Or did you mean computer attacks? In communist and authoritarian nations, monitoring what the people are doing is normal(to account for potential dissent),but they would also shoot/imprison their own people over political dissent.

Maybe the U.S. is no better than those nations. Still doesn't make it right. If a soldier does not protect his people and their rights then he becomes nothing more than a henchman for politicians - worse than a traitor.

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by greenleafjacob on Sunday November 12, 2017 @06:19PM (#15683103)

Tiennamen Square...

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Re:Security Breach and Spilled Secrets Have Shaken the N.S.A. by badrabbit on Sunday November 12, 2017 @07:52PM (#15683466)

I guess that qualifies and makes a good example of an unpatriotic soldier blindly obeying orders.

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