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Re:China is catching up to the USA, while Japan is being lef... by erikpukinskis on Sunday November 12, 2017 @01:50PM (#15682000)
It’s sad people are downvoting this. Maybe they disagree but this is absolutely a question all of us must ask.

There are side effects to growth. We lose cultural practices, we lose languages, we lose neighborhoods, we lose species, we lose entire ecologies.

I actually really appreciate the conservative (well...Republican) argument that sometimes it’s worth it. Maybe we should burn some fossil fuels to help developing countries build economically, bring down mortality, be able to support larger investments, etc, in exchange for some extinctions, and the loss of some indigenous culture. I’m open to that.

But you also have to be open to the fact that sometimes it’s not worth it, and ask what does it look like if we were to try to preserve our cultural and biological heritage. This is a conservative ideal too.

And when I think about how to do that, I am drawn back to Japan over and over who solved many of these problems hundreds or thousands of years ago. Japan has already asked the question: “should we destroy all of our native ecologies and cultures in order to fuel industrial growth?” And they are one of the few countries who has taken a stance on that issue, and succeeded at preserving things America seems destined to continually destroy in its relentless path towards an industrial monoculture.

We can’t write that off as provincialism or regressiveness. We (in the U.S.) have something to learn here, and the advantage is not entirely ours.

Re:China is catching up to the USA, while Japan is being lef... by nradov on Sunday November 12, 2017 @02:48PM (#15682277)
I don't think that's an accurate description of what's actually been happening in Japan. They have literally paved over ecologically sensitive sites and built bridges to nowhere in a misguided, counterproductive attempt to stimulate economic growth. For details see "Dogs and Demons: Tales from the Dark Side of Japan" by Alex Kerr.

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780809039432

Re:China is catching up to the USA, while Japan is being lef... by jpatokal on Sunday November 12, 2017 @04:36PM (#15682756)
Japan answered "Yes" to that question. Every river in Japan is dammed and concreted, ~all old growth forests have been logged and replaced with cedar plantations, and all native minorities (Okinawan, Ainu, etc) have been steamrollered by mainstream Yamato language & culture.
Re:China is catching up to the USA, while Japan is being lef... by sexydefinesher on Sunday November 12, 2017 @03:15PM (#15682417)
You do realise that any economic benefit from burning fossil fuel would be outweighed by rising sea levels, right?