Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural World

Re:Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural W... by codingdave on Saturday November 11, 2017 @11:06AM (#15676828)

You are assuming that designers would be overly simplistic about their work. Planes don't use their wings for propulsion, so why would a designer try to make them flap? That action isn't solving the same problem, and any engineer would know that. Likewise, tires roll in response to propulsion, whereas galloping legs are providing power. Frankly, the pistons inside an engine ARE closer to a gallop than to a roll. (Well, maybe not in a Wankel rotary engine, but...)

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Re:Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural W... by robotresearcher on Saturday November 11, 2017 @02:29PM (#15677694)

Leonardo da Vinci, notable designer, and many other sophisticated people considered flapping wing aircraft. It’s easy to dismiss it as simplistic hundreds of years later once practical solutions already exist.

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Re:Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural W... by nether on Saturday November 11, 2017 @05:15PM (#15678480)

No, flapping wing aircraft simply are less efficent for size scales that can carry a person. That's why the larger a bird's wingspan, the less frequently they flap, such that condors, storks etc. are basically fixed wing gliders.

We in the artificial world do have our own local optima with quad copter drones. Flapping here would be more efficient. Consider seagulls that dive and change direction instantly, and can respond to gusts without missing a beat. We have nothing approaching that maneuverability. This is an active area of research.

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Re:Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural W... by robotresearcher on Saturday November 11, 2017 @06:10PM (#15678716)

What do you mean 'no'? It's an empirical fact that very talented designers considered flapping wing flying machines, before they had the information that we have now. They were not 'overly simplistic' except in deep hindsight.

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Re:Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural W... by laretluval on Saturday November 11, 2017 @06:22PM (#15678743)

We aren't done designing flying machines. Maybe it will turn out that when we have sophisticated enough control mechanisms and materials, flapping will turn out to be the way to go after all.

Of course natural evolution has found only local minima in the fitness landscape, but as a designer it's been running its algorithm a lot longer than humans have. Its local minima may well be better than ours, and so worth trying to imitate.

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Re:Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural W... by robotresearcher on Saturday November 11, 2017 @06:36PM (#15678804)

Refer to the grandparent post as to why large flapping machines are unlikely.

This thread is so weird.

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Re:Biomimicry: How Designers Are Learning from the Natural W... by maxerickson on Saturday November 11, 2017 @11:52AM (#15677027)

I think a piston engine is just a different thing than a gallop.

A 1 cylinder engine works a lot better than a 1 legged gallop.

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