Re:Electric Sheep on Ubuntu Linux 17.10
by pbhjpbhj on Friday November 10, 2017 @06:42PM
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The source documents I was referring to were letters between Turing and his fiancée Joan Clarke; I'll look up a source if you like.
Hodge appears to have Turing as an "out and proud" homosexual (eg https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/revie... "saw no reason why he should hide his homosexuality"), yet his fiancée -- whom he also worked with -- who he spent so much of his time with had to be told in a letter of his "tendencies". If he didn't hide his homosexuality how did his colleague & fiancée not know, or at least how did Turing suppose she didn't know and so need to write the letter.
This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2e9R7bXCk has an interview with Clarke, and some other colleagues, who say Turing wasn't known by them until later to be homosexual.
Turing appears to have had intimate affection for Clarke, perhaps she was intended by him as a "beard" but it seems as likely from what I've seen that he was bisexual?
Stepping sideways to consider Furbank's endorsement of Hodge. If Hodge were using Turing to attempt to push an idealised homosexual image then it seems -- reading _a_lot_ between the lines -- that perhaps would also be seen as beneficial to Furbank (who I read was a good friend of Forster, whom Hodge tells me in a pamphlet was a closet homosexual, http://www.outgay.co.uk/wdg4.html) either for himself or for his associates.
I'll reiterate, I haven't read exhaustively on this, but what little I have read seems to put Turing's character at odds with [again, what little I've seen of] Hodge's presentation of him. It's like you told me there's no fouling in soccer and the first media that came up in a search was about how there's so much fouling in soccer; it would make me suspect you were perhaps presenting things for other purposes than merely to show the truth.
Thanks for your post. I'm interested if you have more to add.
Hodge appears to have Turing as an "out and proud" homosexual (eg https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/revie... "saw no reason why he should hide his homosexuality"), yet his fiancée -- whom he also worked with -- who he spent so much of his time with had to be told in a letter of his "tendencies". If he didn't hide his homosexuality how did his colleague & fiancée not know, or at least how did Turing suppose she didn't know and so need to write the letter.
This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2e9R7bXCk has an interview with Clarke, and some other colleagues, who say Turing wasn't known by them until later to be homosexual.
Turing appears to have had intimate affection for Clarke, perhaps she was intended by him as a "beard" but it seems as likely from what I've seen that he was bisexual?
Stepping sideways to consider Furbank's endorsement of Hodge. If Hodge were using Turing to attempt to push an idealised homosexual image then it seems -- reading _a_lot_ between the lines -- that perhaps would also be seen as beneficial to Furbank (who I read was a good friend of Forster, whom Hodge tells me in a pamphlet was a closet homosexual, http://www.outgay.co.uk/wdg4.html) either for himself or for his associates.
I'll reiterate, I haven't read exhaustively on this, but what little I have read seems to put Turing's character at odds with [again, what little I've seen of] Hodge's presentation of him. It's like you told me there's no fouling in soccer and the first media that came up in a search was about how there's so much fouling in soccer; it would make me suspect you were perhaps presenting things for other purposes than merely to show the truth.
Thanks for your post. I'm interested if you have more to add.
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Looking back at bookmarks I see that https://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/text/papers/turing/, http://scan.net.au/scan/journal/display.php?journal_id=54 were sources I used for general biography previously. I can't recollect exactly but I imagine I read maybe 10 or 20 different sources, including Hodge (particularly lots of this, http://www.turing.org.uk/scrapbook/index.html), on the subject.