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Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by Aloha on Thursday November 09, 2017 @04:12PM (#15665913)
I don't think you need to replicate silicon valley culture and pay to be successful - arguable replicating it is harmful.

There is no good reason to pay 200k a year to a guy who can make 200k a year in Sunnyvale - in Michigan, he'll have as much disposable income at, 120-140k a year as he did at 200k a year in California.

Before you say people wont work for less - I know plenty of people who would, including myself.

Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by curiouscat321 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @04:22PM (#15665966)
You have to attract talent to Michigan though. California is in a prosperous loop where talented people move to the state for jobs which then encourages other companies to come to California for talent. The side effect of this is rising housing prices and rising wages.

Michigan doesn't have that cycle happening (or, at least to the same extent). Telling somebody to take a hypothetical pay cut to move somewhere with less appeal isn't a sound strategy for attracting talent.

Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by Aloha on Thursday November 09, 2017 @04:30PM (#15666010)
There are sweeteners you can use to get people to move, like signing bonuses, or a bonus after a year, or upon termination, to alienate the concern that you wont be able to go back to a more expensive place after layoff or termination.
Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by toomuchtodo on Friday November 10, 2017 @01:52AM (#15668405)
The sweetener is never enough compared to cash in hand from a traditional tech job (in my experience). Top dollar is top dollar, there is no substitute.
Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by lotsofpulp on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:20PM (#15666297)
More people also probably prefer California's climate, beaches, and mountains.
Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by thephyber on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:14PM (#15666257)
> There is no good reason to pay 200k a year to a guy who can make 200k a year in Sunnyvale - in Michigan, he'll have as much disposable income at, 120-140k a year as he did at 200k a year in California.

This ignores two facts of wealth in the bay area.

The value of land has risen considerably, so an engineer can grow wealthy just by owning (as opposed to renting) even without any "disposable" income (although I recognize that owning/renting can involve dipping into "disposable" income).

The promise of equity growth is compelling in a small-ish company. The likelihood that Ford employee equity might appreciate is _very_ tiny, is dependent upon so many factors out of the control of the tech employees (industry competition, regulations, supply of low-interest financing, labor unions, etc) that may not affect other unions.

Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by Aloha on Thursday November 09, 2017 @10:05PM (#15667630)
Yes, but the market has risen to the extent that people making 200k a year are having trouble entering it. That's also the key sign of a bubble.

As someone who has spent most of my career working for old line companies, I discount equity in the company as something akin to gambling - I'd rather take cash than options with a low strike price.

Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by mywittyname on Thursday November 09, 2017 @05:32PM (#15666344)
There's a difference between paying people what they are worth, and paying people what they could earn elsewhere.

GM paid $500-1,000MM dollars for Cruise Automation, an autonomous vehicle startup with 40 employees. That means that GM thinks that three years of work by these employees are worth in the neighborhood of $12.5 to $25MM each.

Meaning a $200k salary is a serious low-ball. The fact that a web-dev in California can earn that, doesn't mean that's a good benchmark for a world-class AI researcher.

So yes, there is a good reason to pay these people well. The company knows that, if they don't, they face an existential threat. These potential employees are better off creating their own startup and auctioning off the results in three years.

Re:Can Ford Turn Itself into a Tech Company? by Aloha on Thursday November 09, 2017 @10:00PM (#15667604)
A world class AI researcher is going to make the same money wherever they go - but "senior level developers" wouldn't, they'll make market adjusted wages.