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Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by kolbe on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:38AM (#15662712)
I'd love (love!) for the answer to all questions about addiction to be "suffer your own consequences," but the US exists as a massive welfare state where intelligent and conscientious citizens should try to ensure that the investments they're making in the lower classes are going to better use than heroin and acting as proxy votes to foreign regimes in US elections.

But we're not even close to a libertarian enough nation to just ignore the problems that corporations create for our citizens, even if those problems could be avoided by personal responsibility. And "soul searching" is waaaay too far up Maslow's hierarchy for most US citizens to even start considering.

Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by s73ver_ on Thursday November 09, 2017 @01:03PM (#15664426)
Why is it that the faults of people always boil down to "personal responsibility", but the faults of companies never do? Why is FB not responsible for what they're doing to their platform?
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Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by ralusek on Friday November 10, 2017 @01:39AM (#15668357)
It's not correct to say that America isn't a welfare state, and if you're a Democrat (which it sounds like you are), then you should not be offended by that term.

This is the distribution of federal spending: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/images/pubs...

Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid consist of almost 50% of the federal budget. If you include "Other," which includes other welfare programs such as veterans benefits, federal food stamps, as well as "Non-defense," which includes additional veterans benefits/housing/health, you can see that a very large percentage of the federal budget is on welfare programs.

Military budget in the US is obviously absolutely atrociously massive, but it is only about 15% of the budget.

If you look at the federal debt, you can see that the trajectory doesn't look great: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Total_US...

So I don't think it is at all fair to say that the US is not a welfare state, particularly when compared to the foundation of the country being rooted in laissez-faire classical liberalism. I am all for the discussion of mitigating attempts on economic distribution of wealth, but what we have in place even now already far surpasses what the budget is capable of facilitating (in terms of cost, not strategy or outcome).

Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by kolbe on Friday November 10, 2017 @10:14AM (#15670359)
I'd like to add that the military itself is kinda looking like a welfare program. The US isn't at war. The military is often considered a fall back carrier path. If we even get 10 cents on the dollar in return for military labor, I'd be surprised.

When I step back and look at it in a larger picture, I kinda see a welfare program that demands its recipients stay in shape and follow some special rules.

Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by ralusek on Friday November 10, 2017 @01:35PM (#15671889)
Not a bad point. Military service is actually one of the most reliable paths for upwards economic mobility, and it is absolutely not tied to any natural demand or market. In practice it does serve a welfare-like function, albeit inefficiently.
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Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by pixl97 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @12:14PM (#15664061)
>fewer social services than any other industrialized country.

Conversely your own argument can simply be stated as

"We have a smaller welfare state than most other industrialized countries"

So I don't think you successfully argued that we don't have a welfare state at all.

Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by s73ver_ on Thursday November 09, 2017 @01:04PM (#15664435)
The existence of welfare does not a welfare state make.
Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by pixl97 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @01:18PM (#15664530)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state

By the technical definition, yea, it does seem to.

Re:Sean Parker unloads on Facebook “exploiting” human psycho... by MsMowz on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:56PM (#15667589)
If any state that isn't just police and a military counts as a welfare state, then I don't think that's a useful definition of welfare state.