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Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by maxerickson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:06AM (#15662022)
Could you explain why it is good for society for Google to not give a shit about what it promotes?

I mean, the point of limited liability is not to give investors a path to profit regardless of all other things, it is to encourage investments that are beneficial to society. If it isn't working, we should retink it.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by lmm on Thursday November 09, 2017 @10:46AM (#15663326)
The marketplace of ideas can't work if we let a single entity decide which ideas are or aren't allowed to propagate. We all end up much better off if people are free to spread what those in power consider falsehoods; dealing with the occasional outright falsehood is the price we have to pay.
Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by maxerickson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @02:48PM (#15665303)
Google is already deciding which ideas propagate.

It's entirely reasonable for us to ask them not to do a shit job of it.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by lettergram on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:17AM (#15662085)
> I mean, the point of limited liability is not to give investors a path to profit regardless of all other things, it is to encourage investments that are beneficial to society. If it isn't working, we should retink it.

From my understanding, a limited liability company exists to protect the business members and shareholders from legal action of their private persons. I.e. if the business goes under due to a poor product or something, they can't be held personally liable. That doesn't mean they are excused from criminal behavior, they can still be liable for some of that.

However, in either case there is no "benefit to society" clauses. It's simply a legal construct to protect people. In this case, Google did what they did... They probably weren't criminals though

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by ams6110 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @11:06AM (#15663501)
Yes, exactly. The point of Limited Liability is not simply to create a guaranteed path to profit (in fact it does no such thing; LLCs go bankrupt every day, and members can lose every penny they have personally invested).

Though there is no explicit "benefit to society" clause, that is the basic rationale for limited liability. It's an incentive to allow members to define the extent of their personal financial exposure. In so doing, they are more willing to invest in businesses, which can produce a net benefit to society (e.g. by employing people, paying taxes, etc.).

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by maxerickson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:53AM (#15662325)
Special legal protections that make corporations more efficient aren't natural rights, if they don't come with an overall benefit to society there is no reason to tolerate them.

I think they probably do come with an overall benefit to society, but the idea that giant corporations are going to do what they are going to do is one worth fighting against.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by Eridrus on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:13AM (#15662060)
Because the money they make compared to how much content their serve is miniscule, and the only reason it works is scale. So if you want YouTube/Google/Twitter/Facebook to exist, you have to accept best effort algorithmic solutions, otherwise these services are not commercially viable and will cease to exist.

Can we ask these companies to do better? Sure. Can we expect them to be perfect? Not really.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by maxerickson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:38AM (#15662212)
If they are harming society they don't need to exist.

Google could trivially spend $200 million a month on moderation and other editorial functions, they just would rather not.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by Eridrus on Thursday November 09, 2017 @08:48AM (#15662286)
Net-net, I think Google's benefits outweigh it's issues. Economic analysis basically backs that up.

I admit I haven't run the numbers on Google, but when I looked at YouTube, requiring human minimum wage moderators to review every video would cost billions of dollars a year - more than the entire site's revenue.

So, sure, Google could drop another 200m on moderation, but I don't think that would get you to full moderation, so you still need algorithms in there somewhere.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by mythrwy on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:01AM (#15662386)
If you want a moderated service use one. Or build one.

If Google becomes one (which they appear to be doing in some ways) I'll look for something that is more of a raw aggregator.

Google doesn't need to be a social engineer. Nor do many of the others who have decided they know what is "harming society and doesn't need to exist". Like a F*n small town preacher on a crusade to remove a book with dirty words from the library that is.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by maxerickson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:19AM (#15662535)
Indeed, restraining mega-corporations and burning books are exactly the same kinds of thing.
Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by mythrwy on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:47AM (#15662787)
What if the books are made by mega-corporations "just out to make money"?

Attempting to restrict what can be published/viewed by do-gooders who think they know best is hardly a new gig. It just has different flavor now.

Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by ManlyBread on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:06AM (#15662433)
Who would moderate the moderators though? Didn't Facebook do this and had a problem with left-wing bias in the news they served?
Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by tengbretson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @11:38AM (#15663794)
> Could you explain why it is good for society for Comcast to not give a shit about the content of the data it transmits?
Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by ksk on Thursday November 09, 2017 @03:35PM (#15665666)
Comcast says they provide you with "the internet". Google says that they're providing you with the news. News is understood to be a factual piece of information by any common measure of understanding, as opposed to rumors and gossip.
Re:Google promoted Texas gunman fake tweets by maxerickson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @01:59PM (#15664878)
It's not really a good comparison. Google purports to promote topical news in several places (search results, news., the Google App).

If Comcast was taking up an editorial function I'd criticize them for doing it poorly too.