Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by 32hkwejr on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:00PM (#15655728)

AKA Control of the society that is...

1) Openly documented 2) Viewable by all 3) Accountable to the people not the highest bidder

Exactly as the Founding Fathers wrote and spoke of it? They were pre-capitalist, saw the origins of capitalist philosophy beginning, and wrote of their fears about where that will lead a country of free people; straight into the back pockets of the elite (remember the crown was essentially the same way, owned/controlled all, required the masses to entertain them and provide value for THEM).

You seem convinced contributing to your government is a scam, and you should go shovel whatever for some rich wanker.

You got something else to add? Or are you going to just regurgitate the banal fear mongering of the last 200 years?

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Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by ttoinou on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @03:21PM (#15656560)

    Control of the society

What does it even mean ?

How do you make the government accountable, transparent and openly documented ? Mystery to me

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Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by frgtpsswrdlame on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:25PM (#15657717)

>How do you make the government accountable, transparent and openly documented ? Mystery to me

Sure but less of a mystery than how we can make corporations transparent, accountable and openly documented.

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Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by ttoinou on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @06:25PM (#15658149)

Producing information is costly. There is a market for it but no general magic solution (this applies to both govt and companies, but I guess it's easier to look into a bunch of small companies rather than one huge govt).

Corporations are accountable of the wrong they do to third parties. It's the whole point of having a judicial system.

How do you control a govt ? By rioting and voting every 4 years ? Here's how it can work for companies : http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/MarketforCorporateControl...

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Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by slavik81 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @03:27PM (#15656631)

If the founding fathers were concerned about government capture by the elite, why did they limit the right to vote to land owners? They basically decided that only the wealthy could vote.

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Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by libertyEQ on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:18PM (#15657151)

At the time (e.g. 18th century), it was the best proxy for education. In the age of the internet, we have at least the prospect of learning at our own pace regardless of financial means. This requires an interest in knowledge while minimizing biases.

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Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by slavik81 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:32PM (#15657273)

Sure, but restricting voting to the educated is still restricting voting to the elite. It still doesn't seem compatible with limiting the influence of the elites on the government, which 32hkwejr claimed was their goal.

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Re:Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook by libertyEQ on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:55PM (#15657490)

>restricting voting to the educated is still restricting voting to the elite.

At that time...

Buuuut we now live in the age of the internet, and knowledge is a pure commodity. There are authoritarians looking to muddy the waters and make knowledge more difficult to acquire, but for those interested in learning (like the kids I've worked with), there are plenty of free options I couldn't dream of at the public library I went to as a kid.

We still have an issue of poor education, don't get me wrong, though it is not a result of elitism (quite the contrary).

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