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Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by ISL on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @12:14PM (#15654435)
Amazon, Facebook, Google, AirBnB, Uber, Match, etcetera are all middlemen.

They provide an interface between parties who wish to exchange information, goods, services, and time.

The nature of middle-people businesses is changing, but they're not going away.

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by radix07 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @12:29PM (#15654598)
Right, but the point is how many jobs does Amazon create delivering all those goods to you compared to say a Sears or Walmart?

The modern day middlemen are doing a better job with way less people. Hence the Retail Apocalypse...

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by emodendroket on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @12:35PM (#15654693)
But if you read the article it describes a lot of businesses which are profitable and could plod along, except they're saddled with tons of debt from leveraged buyouts.
Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by Digory on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @01:35PM (#15655442)
That struck me as bogus.

In other words, they're saying the businesses aren't profitable enough to service debt loads that were thought to be sustainable debt loads a few years ago.

That still points to lower than expected retail profit. Interest rates have been unusually low for more than a decade, so it's not like a credit spike changed the assumptions.

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by emodendroket on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @03:42PM (#15656780)
It calls out some of this debt being from 2007, and some cursory checking on my part suggests things were picking up again to a notable degree more recently. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-uslbo/cheap-financing-fuel...

Anyway, at best it contributes to a negative feedback loop.

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by pixl97 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:05PM (#15657580)
>thought to be sustainable debt loads a few years ago.

No, the debt was never sustainable. Essentially the banks allowed loans which were gigantic ponzi schemes.

Retail: "Our growth will continue forever!"

Banks: Hmm, we got bit pretty hard on these home loans and need somewhere else to make money, "Forever growth is like infinite money, I like money!", "Here is 10 billion dollars, just remember to pay us back in 2017".

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by agumonkey on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @12:25PM (#15654556)
Google used to provide rare value: large scale of organization of information. They also philanthropically raised standards f the web: way better mail service, map service.
Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by s73ver_ on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @01:43PM (#15655542)
They raised the standards, but you're delusional if you think they did it philanthropically. They did it because they thought they could get more info to sell ads.
Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by agumonkey on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:08PM (#15655799)
Oh yeah, I missed an edit I never meant to say it was out of pure altruism. But it was a new kind of move at the time.