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Re:On Unread Books by lj3 on Saturday November 04, 2017 @02:52PM (#15626357)
Arts aren't just entertainment. They're a reflection of the soul of a culture and exist long after that culture is dead. If you look at every culture ever recorded in human history, you'll note there is a direct correlation between a culture's progression in art and a culture's progression in science and technology.

That said, I agree with you that most written literature has very little to offer most people. Most pieces of literature bear that designation because they are "teachable" in one form or another. Some are chosen because they perfect one very specific aspect of the craft of writing. Others, like Finnegan's Wake, are like P vs NP in that they provide an infinitely complex problem for intelligent minds to spend lifetimes chewing on without ever reaching a conclusion.

Something else to keep in mind: the medium is the message. The medium a piece of art chooses is significant. TV and movies will rot your brain regardless of whether it's The Big Bang Theory or Citizen Kane. Reading will improve your brain, regardless of whether you're reading Danielle Steel or Chaucer.

Re:On Unread Books by Mediterraneo10 on Saturday November 04, 2017 @04:02PM (#15626620)
> TV and movies will rot your brain regardless of whether it's The Big Bang Theory or Citizen Kane.

I cannot agree with that at all. A great deal of cinema is heavy enough on information to be educational. Think about how much you can learn about history, literature, economics, or politics from watching Jean-Luc Godard’s output from 1962-1968. Even if the medium has flaws in the depth of its presentation, its compilation of citations to important literature that can then be followed up, can be invaluable.

And aren't plays reading? And do they really lose the goodness they have as "reading" when they move from the written page to a performance that just happens to be captured on film instead of before a live audience?

Re:On Unread Books by lj3 on Saturday November 04, 2017 @04:28PM (#15626755)
You're talking content. I'm talking neurobiology.
Re:On Unread Books by jacobolus on Saturday November 04, 2017 @05:37PM (#15627031)
“rot your brain”?

Like.... little worms will be transmitted directly through the screen, and a bad smell will start pouring out your ears?

Give us a break.

Visual storytelling is fundamentally different from pure linguistic storytelling. It has much higher bandwidth, so it provides a richer set of simultaneous messages (in some ways similar to an opera or stage play or puppet show, but with even more flexibility over the visual content), but also causes a forced progression through time that makes it not as easily amenable to skimming, reading out of order, re-reading, cross-referencing, or pausing to write direct responses to the text.

But there’s a huge amount to learn and appreciate in visual stories. The best visual stories are incomparably better than the worst written schlock, and vice versa.

Re:On Unread Books by everyone on Saturday November 04, 2017 @04:31PM (#15626764)
Can you elaborate? post some links or references? Sounds interesting.
Re:On Unread Books by lj3 on Saturday November 04, 2017 @08:31PM (#15627561)
Here's a decent article to start with: https://journal.thriveglobal.com/how-books-and-television-af...

If you do some searching, you'll find lots of ink spilled on the subject of "does TV rot your brain" and the cognitive benefits of reading.

Re:On Unread Books by Mediterraneo10 on Sunday November 05, 2017 @03:23AM (#15628674)
The article you link to speaks about television, not cinema. Furthermore, its claim that the visual medium encourages passivity:

"you can just sit back and watch everything unfold without effort on your part. You’re less likely to pause to reflect on what’s happening."

does not apply to the considerable number of filmmakers (and occasional television content producers) who employ Brechtian alienation techniques.

Re:On Unread Books by lj3 on Sunday November 05, 2017 @07:43AM (#15629149)
Don't be dense. That sentence is from the reporter trying to make a study easier to understand to the common folk. Actually read the study referenced. There are also other studies that compare content and find it doesn't make a difference on the impact of the brain.
Re:On Unread Books by everyone on Monday November 06, 2017 @08:01AM (#15635110)
Just an idea,, Maybe all TV input looks the same to us, as regards its effect on the brain, but in reality its not.. Our tools for measuring anything to do with the brain/cognition are extremely crude currently.

eg. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/scicurious-brain/ignobe...

To use computers as an analogy. If you were to examine it only physically, a hard drive filled with random garbage would look the same as one filled with our greatest works.

Re:On Unread Books by lj3 on Monday November 06, 2017 @08:18AM (#15635190)
What's your motivation behind this comment? Do you really want to live in a world where some of humanity's greatest achievements are seen the same as random garbage? In any case, current brain scans are crude, but they measure function, not data. It's like putting an ammeter over an ethernet cable. You're not going to be able to see the data flowing over the wire, but you'll definitely be able to tell that data isn't flowing when it should be. You can also physically inspect a computer and see when a capacitor has blown.
Re:On Unread Books by everyone on Saturday November 04, 2017 @03:53PM (#15626587)
"the medium is the message. The medium a piece of art chooses is significant. TV and movies will rot your brain regardless of whether it's The Big Bang Theory or Citizen Kane. Reading will improve your brain, regardless of whether you're reading Danielle Steel or Chaucer."

I have not heard that before.

The medium a piece of art chooses is significant, yes, (and in a lot of cases the creator chooses the wrong medium, eg. there are plenty of computer games out there that really want to be films, they dont make use of the strengths of the medium and even fight against it.)

The rest, I dont agree with.

Imo big bang, citizen kane, danielle Steel and chaucer are all somewhat equatable, because they are all fiction/entertainment. Personally I'd rate something educational or non-fiction over fiction in any medium

Re:On Unread Books by lj3 on Saturday November 04, 2017 @04:36PM (#15626785)
You're making the mistake of thinking that all fiction is entertainment. It's not. There's a reason humans are hard wired to share stories.

> Imo big bang, citizen kane, danielle Steel and chaucer are all somewhat equatable, because they are all fiction/entertainment.

It doesn't work that way. The medium has an impact on the formation and development of the brain itself.

Re:On Unread Books by everyone on Saturday November 04, 2017 @04:43PM (#15626817)
So are you talking about exposure to certain mediums at certain ages?