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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by coldtea on Thursday November 02, 2017 @04:46PM (#15614145)
>It seems increasingly that web content is being delivered in video form. That itself is hostile to some people. Some of us want the freedom to read (or scan quickly). But many of the providers of "content" know they have little to provide, so they drag it out in video form, saving the actual information for the last 10% of the video (if ever!) This I find incredibly hostile

Isn't that a kind of entitlement?

I might prefer text myself, but it's up to the content provider, who gives me FREE content, to put up whatever they like.

And they have a reason that they put out videos, as they are much more popular with certain demographics.

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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by woogley on Thursday November 02, 2017 @04:52PM (#15614205)
It's not entitlement, it's just an opinion. OP said they move on to a different source with their preferred format.
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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by coldtea on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:24AM (#15617513)
Well, entitlement is just an opinion too -- surely it's not an objective fact that someone is entitled (except we're talking about a king, an inheritance, and so on).

Specifically, it's the opinion that something must be a certain way because you want it like that.

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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by s73ver_ on Thursday November 02, 2017 @06:02PM (#15614708)
Saying it's inconvenient, or that you'd prefer text is an opinion. But that's not what OP said; they said it's hostile. That is an entitlement.
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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by woogley on Thursday November 02, 2017 @08:10PM (#15615579)
No, entitlement is demanding all sources conform to OP's preference
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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by coldtea on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:25AM (#15617519)
It's enough having a problem with things others put out (and for free) not being to your specifications to consider it entitlement.

Besides, one can't make actual demands when they have no power.

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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by hsod on Thursday November 02, 2017 @04:59PM (#15614241)
Yes, I think we cross a line when we begin making demands about the content itself. If you want content created to your specifications, you can produce it yourself or pay someone else to do it.

Video content isn't "user hostile" any more than a movie you don't like is "user hostile".

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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by anigbrowl on Thursday November 02, 2017 @05:17PM (#15614370)
Video that is deliberately structured to keep people watching without delivering much information is absolutely user hostile. That's why TV is full of shows with bullshit cliffhangers leading up to ad breaks and so on. Stringing users along in order to monetize the content is somewhat voluntary but easily tips into being exploitative.
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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by krapp on Thursday November 02, 2017 @05:51PM (#15614611)
Not all video is, or is meant to be, about maximizing information density. Mere entertainment isn't "user hostile" if people enjoy it.
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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by anigbrowl on Thursday November 02, 2017 @06:01PM (#15614706)
Sure, but I thought we were talking about the context of documentary /instructional /information videos.

For entertainment that's fine, I enjoy cartoons, drama etc. as much as anyone.

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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by coldtea on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:23AM (#15617505)
>Sure, but I thought we were talking about the context of documentary /instructional /information videos.

Even in that context, amateurs and people starting out with a subject, might prefer to have less information density and have things explained in easy steps -- instead of lots of stuff they don't get crammed in 5 minutes.

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