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Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by saas_co_de on Thursday November 02, 2017 @06:59AM (#15609274)
"I’ve been speaking with the owner about SSL before I invest in becoming a member, but she’s been told by the dev of the platform (it’s a franchise system called ShopCity.com) that SSL is more about Google’s monopolizing visibility of content, and less to do with security"

This is an interesting observation of how Google's technical crusades often align with its profit interests.

The main threat that HTTPS everywhere secures against is preventing your ISP from analyzing your traffic in order to build and sell an advertising profile on you.

Now, obviously that is something I don't want, so I am all for HTTPS everywhere, but Google already has that profile, so for them HTTPS everywhere is eliminating the competition.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by jakub_g on Thursday November 02, 2017 @09:14AM (#15610077)
I don't want my ISP to inject JavaScript to random pages or analyze my traffic. That should be downright illegal. They should be like water supply company: provide me damn clean water and get out of my way.

Somehow the sewage company doesn't analyze my urine (I hope) to figure out if I prefer spicy or sour food and get an extra buck from third parties, and somehow they're still in the business.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by throwaway6845 on Thursday November 02, 2017 @12:27PM (#15611855)
> I don't want my ISP to inject JavaScript to random pages or analyze my traffic. That should be downright illegal. They should be like water supply company: provide me damn clean water and get out of my way.

I don't want my search engine to do that either. They should provide me damn accurate results and get out of my way.

Unfortunately, whereas I have a choice of several good ISPs here (UK), I have a choice of precisely one good search engine - Google - and it analyses my traffic to high heaven. (And I've tried DuckDuckGo, on several occasions for several weeks at a time, and I'm afraid it still sucks.)

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by banderman on Thursday November 02, 2017 @03:06PM (#15613304)
I find DDG useful for probably ~75% of searches, so I keep it as my default, and switch over to Google if needed.

What aspect of DDG "sucks" for you?

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by smsm42 on Thursday November 02, 2017 @04:42PM (#15614113)
I have been using DDG for several years now, and it works just fine. You of course are free to like Google better - to each for their tastes, but please do not claim there's no choice. There is choice, and you just happen to like Google better - fine, so live with Google then :)
Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by josteink on Thursday November 02, 2017 @09:34AM (#15610239)
> I don't want my ISP to inject JavaScript to random pages or analyze my traffic.

I haven't seen a single reputable ISP do this anywhere. It would illegal.

Is the US really such a third world nation that not even basic regulation like this exist?

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by acdha on Thursday November 02, 2017 @11:20AM (#15611192)
If you run a JavaScript error collector or use CSP on a public site you’ll find this all over the world.

Mobile ISPs inject horrible 90s JavaScript which recompresses images (see e.g. https://calendar.perfplanet.com/2013/mobile-isp-image-recomp...).

Many ISPs - both mobile and wired - inject code to send messages about your account.

ISPs like Comcast have tried objecting ads:

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2925839/net-neutrality/cod...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/04/how-a-banner-ad-...

After leaving Mozilla, Andreas Gal described ISPs reselling search engine queries and results to Google competitors:

https://andreasgal.com/2015/03/30/data-is-at-the-heart-of-se...

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by rwbcxrz on Thursday November 02, 2017 @10:31AM (#15610713)
I used to have internet from Cox Communications. One day when I was working from home, I was surprised to see a page in my local dev environment load with an overlay telling me my ISP thinks I have a Windows virus (I didn't own any Windows machines at the time).

Turns out our dev environment didn't force CDN assets to load over HTTPS, so my ISP injected some JS into a library we were loading.

I tweeted at them, and they not only verified that it came from them, but also that they consider hijacking and modifying my traffic to be a service.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by zackboe on Thursday November 02, 2017 @01:39PM (#15612466)
"With respect to your complaint that Cox intercepts and injects our own data in order to display alerts, etc, we note that browser alerts are a method Cox utilizes to bring customers’ attention to important information that may affect their Internet experience."

They'll also appear if you're nearing your data allowance or if their email service (that you probably don't use) is undergoing maintenance. When I last asked, there is no possible way to opt-out or disable these.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by pritambaral on Thursday November 02, 2017 @10:06AM (#15610466)
US Cable companies in the past have injected alerts into unsecured sites users browsed, to tell them they're running out of data. If they could do that, they could inject ads too.

US Mobile companies inject identification headers in unsecured HTTP calls, for advertiser tracking; and in other cases allow servers to ping the user's IP back to the ISP to get full details of the user (including addresses).

The regulatory agents responsible for regulating the cable and mobile companies in the US are right now hellbent on removing net neutrality and are fighting against the consumer. Fat chance of those "basic regulation"s existing or surviving.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday November 02, 2017 @05:17PM (#15614369)
Siblings have pointed out how very much it does happen, but if I may take issue with:

> Is the US really such a third world nation that not even basic regulation like this exist?

First, the US is by definition the First World (USSR et al. being second world, third being "everyone not allied with first two"). Second, we have somewhat different ideas about freedom that, often, lead to an extreme lack of regulation; the hope is that this gives more freedom and we'll work around abusive actors (yes, I know monopolies are an obvious weak point in the system).

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by peterwwillis on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:24PM (#15612914)
It has nothing to do with regulation. Users sign contracts that explicitly state the company will do this. You can't fault the company for doing what it told you it would do.
Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by throwaway2016a on Thursday November 02, 2017 @10:40AM (#15610782)
> The main threat that HTTPS everywhere secures against is preventing your ISP from analyzing your traffic in order to build and sell an advertising profile on you.

That is not true. The main threat it protects against is MitM (man in the middle attacks) that allow someone to redirect all traffic to a website through their machine and thus see all the data including your password.

HTTPS when combined with root certificate trust is very effective at preventing these kind of attacks. Without it, using any shared internet at all (such as a company, school, or coffee shop) to log into any website or enter your credit card would be trivially easy to hack.

Seriously, I can boot up Wireshark, go to my coffee shop and easily see every non-HTTPS communication going over the network. IM messages, emails, and in cases like this post suggests... passwords too.

Edit: As a side note... I do this all the time to reverse engineer the wireless protocol for IOT devices since most of them do not use HTTPS yet. I use it for personal use but it could be used for harm as well. For instance, if the security cameras are IP cameras over HTTP I could probably intercept the password and use it to remotely turn off the cameras.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by peterwwillis on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:19PM (#15612862)
MitM is blown out of proportion. Afaik, only dns poisoning attacks will result in MitM as effective as phishing or botnets, and poisoning can be mostly-solved with better resolvers. No criminal anywhere cares about your password going over the wire in a coffee shop.
Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:42PM (#15613095)
Which is true exactly up to the point where some criminal decides it's an attack worth automating, as with every other attack.

The one thing that reduces the likelihood of that happening is to minimize the amount of credentials you could get your hands on using that attack.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by throwaway2016a on Thursday November 02, 2017 @03:44PM (#15613593)
If you have a mass target sure, there are better attacks.

But if you target is only a single network, packet sniffing is pretty effective and is stopped by HTTPS.

And if you target is a single person or small group of enumerable machines, arp poisoning still works on many (most?) networks.

Personally I am more scared of the damage that can be caused by being a direct target than I am having my info in one of those massive dark-web data dumps.

Edit: Also, the ops post is actually an example of a MitM (where the ISP is the one in the middle). I just expanded it to the superset.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by nerdponx on Thursday November 02, 2017 @08:12AM (#15609626)
Perhaps, but it's fairly easy to un-Google your life nowadays.
Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by kgbme on Thursday November 02, 2017 @08:40AM (#15609821)
Except, it shouldn't take work!.. Like - with cell phones.

Until recently, I had no idea that manufacturers actually PAY Google to have the services on Android... Talk about idiocy.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by annabellish on Thursday November 02, 2017 @09:34AM (#15610240)
It doesn't seem like idiocy to gain access to the largest application ecosystem available for their product.

I mean, you _could_ go the amazon route, but how's that working out for them? Their mobile platform is not exactly flourishing. An Android device without Google Apps simply isn't going to sell in the millions.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by josteink on Thursday November 02, 2017 @09:33AM (#15610229)
> The main threat that HTTPS everywhere secures against is preventing your ISP from analyzing your traffic in order to build and sell an advertising profile on you.

As someone living in Europe, this literally happens nowhere. Because it's illegal.

SSL in browser has nothing to do with our ISPs. Stop being US-centric.

Re:Bypassing Browser Security Warnings with Pseudo Password ... by throwaway6845 on Thursday November 02, 2017 @12:30PM (#15611891)
Yeah, no way that would happen in Europe.

Oh wait.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8438461/BT-and-Ph...