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Re:Do you need a VPN? by _phaq on Monday October 30, 2017 @04:37PM (#15588661)
When evaluating a VPN service for trustworthiness, I always look at what their webpage loads in terms of tracking scripts.

Basically, if you offer me the service to protect my IP address and don't even have the decency to let me inform myself about your offering without handing over my IP address to Google et al., then I'm not using your service.

Unfortunately, VPN providers collectively don't seem to be aware of this presentation layer, so it's neigh impossible to find one which doesn't violate privacy here.

So far, I've found exactly two: azirevpn.com and airvpn.org

They load in Piwik, which I'm okay with.

These two providers also check a lot of other boxes for me, but yeah, it's still just two providers after hours of research, so if anyone knows any other VPN providers with privacy-respecting webpages, please do tell.

Re:Do you need a VPN? by DavideNL on Monday October 30, 2017 @06:44PM (#15589650)
> I always look at what their webpage loads in terms of tracking scripts.

Note that this is also one of the criteria in the Vpn comparison chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L72gHJ5bTq0Djljz0P-N...

by https://thatoneprivacysite.net/

Re:Do you need a VPN? by Ajedi32 on Monday October 30, 2017 @07:21PM (#15589880)
Re:Do you need a VPN? by Sylos on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @01:42AM (#15591316)
Which itself is hosted on Google Docs. Does not compute, does it?

I mean, sorry if I sound rude and thanks for trying to help, but yeah, I'm not clicking on that link.

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Re:Do you need a VPN? by Sylos on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @08:28AM (#15592690)
Fully aware that I sounded like a dick there. I even apologized for it.

As for sorting out my threat vectors, I think you should sort out your threat vectors, if you don't consider the biggest data broker on the planet to be part of that.

But even if you yourself are entirely unaware of Google being a threat vector, I do think I made it abundantly clear in my initial comment that I don't want my IP address shared with Google, so then linking me to a Google webpage has got to either be a bad joke or so incredibly oblivious that I very much do think, it warrants a dick response.

Re:Do you need a VPN? by hnarn on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @11:21AM (#15593873)
First of all, your apology still made you sound like a dick. Secondly, enlighten me, what is the threat in reading an open spreadsheet on Google detailing pros and cons of different VPN vendors?
Re:Do you need a VPN? by Sylos on Thursday November 02, 2017 @12:15PM (#15611715)
I don't know. Not a scooby.

What I know is that Google will store that data point indefinitely and will correlate it with a near-infinite number of other data points to generate conclusions about me. Whether those conclusions are right or wrong doesn't even matter.

They'll also make these data points and conclusions available to intelligence agencies around the world. Which might use it to damage me as part of the ongoing cyber war or if it's my own country's intelligence agency, then they might use it against me, in case I'm unpleasant for the reigning government.

I consider something safe when I know that it's safe, not when I don't know it to be unsafe.

Re:Do you need a VPN? by stanlarroque on Monday October 30, 2017 @04:59PM (#15588831)
It is the first time I have ever encounter a philosophy close to mine about this subject.

Check out my VPN service, DataBuster[0]. I made the VPN only for myself at the beginning but my friends requested the features and it became a viable product.

The only "tracking" I do on the main page is a passive analysis of Apache logs made with Piwik, so there is no visible JS tracking code or third-party tracker.

[0] https://databuster.net

Re:Do you need a VPN? by arm on Monday October 30, 2017 @05:58PM (#15589297)
That’s fantastic! My only suggestion would be to not require JavaScript for the page to load any text at all.
Re:Do you need a VPN? by needcaffeine on Monday October 30, 2017 @09:24PM (#15590469)
I’m interested in the technology behind the service; any details you can provide?
Re:Do you need a VPN? by stanlarroque on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @09:07AM (#15592910)
Yes, I provide some details in a blog article: https://stan.sh/posts/building-a-distributed-vpn-service

The underlying technology used is from Algo VPN, a well-acclaimed open source VPN solution. https://github.com/trailofbits/algo

Re:Do you need a VPN? by grooling on Monday October 30, 2017 @04:47PM (#15588742)
Loyal customer of AIRvpn here. No complaints here
Re:Do you need a VPN? by Insanity on Monday October 30, 2017 @05:03PM (#15588872)
Been using it for about a year now and I am quite happy with it! Recommended it to a few friends, works great on Linux.
Re:Do you need a VPN? by xbkingx on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @02:46PM (#15595543)
Why does this matter for anyone not doing something that would attract the attention of a government agency? If you're running illegal weapons, sure. But if you're just trying to connect to your company's server or prevent Comcast from seeing your search history, this shouldn't matter. It reminds me of the recent uproar over Facebook supposedly listening though the mic at all times. It sounds like a severe lack of appreciation for how much data we leak at any given moment.

What I mean is that just by reading this thread, we've all been added to whatever VPN user list the (insert bad guy name here) has set up. From there it's just simple data mining. One of the easiest ways to link user to VPN service might be through tracking scripts, but that's not specific to the VPN sites. Presumably your're researching which VPN and then reading more on specific VPNs as you narrow down your choice. Then you want to be "anonymous" so you search for bitcoin info. Then you suddenly stop searching for bitcoin and VPN info. So, you have the data from all those searches (specific breadcrumbs), the length of time searched (length of time correlated to how serious and educated you are about the topic), the time the searches stopped (correlated to VPN subscription start), your previous un-anonymized topics of interest that led to the search for VPNs, the exit nodes of the VPN you probably chose, etc. That's on top of all the physical variables - when you're likely to be awake, schedule of connections, location, etc.

I would argue that just having a tracking script on the VPN provider's website is a drop in the bucket, even from a legal perspective - it's better to have a preponderance of evidence. You're not giving 'them' any more information than they'd already need for a search warrant, which is the real danger threshold for this conversation.

It's conflating an annoyance with a threat.

Re:Do you need a VPN? by tonyztan on Monday October 30, 2017 @09:40PM (#15590544)
ProtonVPN (same team as ProtonMail) appears to load no external trackers.
Re:Do you need a VPN? by iDemonix on Monday October 30, 2017 @06:02PM (#15589332)
I'm itching to set one up as a side project...
Re:Do you need a VPN? by Someone1234 on Monday October 30, 2017 @06:24PM (#15589506)
Be cautious of the potential legal headaches, register it as a limited liability company, and host away from your place of residence (so police don't raid your home).

Even if you're entirely above board your users may not. Child porn, illegal substances, gambling, stalking/bullying, fake emergency calls, bomb threats, and so on. Your users are just waiting in the wings to place you into law enforcement's crosshairs.

If I opened a VPN I'd spend 10% on equipment and the other 90% on lawyers, fraud prevention, and liability insurance.

Re:Do you need a VPN? by needcaffeine on Monday October 30, 2017 @09:25PM (#15590477)
This is good advice. I had to deal with crap like this just from running a high traffic message board. Not OP, but I want to do this as a side project just for myself though.
Re:Do you need a VPN? by mirimir on Monday October 30, 2017 @07:01PM (#15589766)
IVPN loads only typekit.net in Linux/Firefox.
Re:Do you need a VPN? by kbyatnal on Monday October 30, 2017 @05:36PM (#15589123)
windscribe.com is another one.
Re:Do you need a VPN? by Fice on Monday October 30, 2017 @07:39PM (#15589991)
Windscribe.com appears to be behind Cloudflare, which means that they allow a third party to MITM https connections to their site. I would not trust their service.