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Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by smsm42 on Sunday October 29, 2017 @04:30PM (#15581243)
Reasonable regulation, by definition, is reasonable. But absolutely nothing guarantees that the actual regulation that will be enacted will be in any way reasonable. If anything, experience suggests that the regulation will be written by people who have very shallow grasp of the topic they regulate and are driven more by misconceptions and latest headlines than rational consideration of the costs and benefits of regulation and decision taken only after benefits clearly exceed the costs. In the best case. In worst case, they'll be just acting as a proxy of some special interest trying to get some money flowing their way.

Given that, any regulation should be assumed to be horrible at the start, and only with overwhelming proof should it be deemed to be "reasonable", and even then should be under constant suspicion - since regulations tend to change, and away from public eye and scrutiny, usually not for the best.

Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by jorvi on Sunday October 29, 2017 @04:49PM (#15581342)
.. what? Have you not followed anything the EU has done? They have abolished roaming within 28 countries. They have created a solid net neutrality law, upon which members (of the EU) are allowed to expand but not reduce. They have stared down the likes of Microsoft, Intel, and soon Google. That the USA does not have an effective government does not mean the rest of the world is the same.
Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by smsm42 on Sunday October 29, 2017 @11:33PM (#15582945)
> They have stared down the likes of Microsoft, Intel, and soon Google

You are saying it like there's something good in extorting money from foreign companies because we own the territory, so damn it if you're going to do business here without paying us protection money. Likes of Microsoft, Intel and Google created the Internet as we know it today. Surely, they are not ideal and have their faults, but they has also been a huge force of improvement and technological advancement. EU has been nothing but sand in the gears in the meantime. When IE seemed to be monopoly, EU did very little to deal with it. When Firefox and Chrome came, IE is no more. See for yourself who is effective here and who is money-sucking, foot-dragging, obtuse and overweight bureaucracy.

> That the USA does not have an effective government does not mean the rest of the world is the same.

USA has way over-active, busybody, annoying and wasteful government. But compared to euro-bureaucrats which obsessively regulate everything from size of holes in cheese to search engines, they are indeed much better. Thanks for reminding about it.

Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by abraae on Monday October 30, 2017 @06:00AM (#15583947)
> You are saying it like there's something good in extorting money from foreign companies because we own the territory, so damn it if you're going to do business here without paying us protection money.

This is how the world works.

If your country has the oil, you get to reap the benefits.

For Facebook, the resource is the population. If Facebook grows rich off the backs of your population, you have every right to tax that.

Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by smsm42 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @12:08AM (#15591035)
It is always nice when the population is viewed not as human beings but as commodity owned by the government and can be rented out to foreign concessions. Not always admitted that openly, though.
Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by jorvi on Monday October 30, 2017 @10:10PM (#15590656)
> EU has been nothing but sand in the gears in the meantime.

> USA has way over-active, busybody, annoying and wasteful government.

Take a look at the cellular and cable markets in the USA for how 'we don't need no gubmint telling us what to do' is working out for you. Or the fact that much of your people are drinking water laden with heavy metals. Or the fact that you are having ten to twenty mass shootings a year. Your lovely Equifax breach that will probably go largely unpunished. Non-existant privacy protection.

So yeah, considering the EU actually and actively fights for its citizens whereas the USA has largely become a toy of corporations, you and I both know once we cross over from ideology (yours is obviously libertarian) to reality your comment and stance become absurd. If I had to distill it - you're the individual version of the Tea Party: libertarian ideals co-opted by corporate brainwashing.

Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by smsm42 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @12:14AM (#15591049)
> how 'we don't need no gubmint telling us what to do' is working out for you

You obviously have no idea how regulated cell and cable markets in US are.

> Or the fact that much of your people are drinking water laden with heavy metals.

I have zero idea what you are talking about, some sources?

> Or the fact that you are having ten to twenty mass shootings a year.

How shootings have anything to do with anything discussed? Do you just copypaste it from somewhere or what?

> Your lovely Equifax breach that will probably go largely unpunished.

And Equifax. Way to go offtopic. Surely, in EU there are no hacks. Come on, you are beclowning yourself.

> If I had to distill it - you're the individual version of the Tea Party: libertarian ideals co-opted by corporate brainwashing.

Surely, I call attention to burdensome, useless and expensive regulation that prevents technological advancement and helps no one but inflated bureaucracies because "corporations" corrupted my brain. No reasonable person with uncorrupted brain would ever protest such thing. Self-beclowining, as I said.

Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by jorvi on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @07:55AM (#15592531)
> You obviously have no idea how regulated cell and cable markets in US are.

Not enough seeing as they effectively have carved out monopolies by 'accidentally' staying out of each others territory

> I have zero idea what you are talking about, some sources?

You have not heard about Flint...?[0]

> How shootings have anything to do with anything discussed? Do you just copypaste it from somewhere or what?

You say the USA (and more so the EU) are weighted down by regulations and a stuffy government. Pretty much all EU countries have _very_ stringent regulations on guns

> And Equifax. Way to go offtopic. Surely, in EU there are no hacks. Come on, you are beclowning yourself.

I'm not saying no hacks happen in the EU. I'm saying tha in the EU the government deals out very harsh punishments for such things (thus also making companies more careful), whereas in the USA companies usually get a slap on the wrist due to a combination of lobbying and settlements.

> Surely, I call attention to burdensome, useless and expensive regulation that prevents technological advancement and helps no one but inflated bureaucracies because "corporations" corrupted my brain. No reasonable person with uncorrupted brain would ever protest such thing. Self-beclowining, as I said.

I just summed up a smattering of different areas in which regulation has made life unequivocally better in the EU than the USA. Regulation when done right helps citizens and not, as you say, 'inflated bureaucracies'.

[0] http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2017/10/71_michiga...

Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by sho_hn on Monday October 30, 2017 @01:02PM (#15586723)
IIRC, the cheese hole size regulation was USDA, not a EU body.
Re:Who Will Rein in Facebook? Challengers Are Lining Up by ahartmetz on Sunday October 29, 2017 @10:19PM (#15582717)
Well, regulatory capture usually works best for domestic companies. The EU is just "lucky" to have few important IT companies. Attitudes are of course also different. I am not sure what is the larger contribution.