Re:The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service
by dublinben on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:41AM
(#15568790)
This is incorrect. Onion domain addresses already provide the same level of confidence as a DV certificate, because they are a public key of the server you are connecting to. There would be no additional value in issuing a DV certificate for an .onion domain.
Re:The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service
by secabeen on Friday October 27, 2017 @10:51AM
(#15568924)
Yes, but how do you know that you are actually connected to nytimes3xpfgragh.onion each time? DV lets you know that the onion site you connected to is the NYTimes, and not a privacy-attacking MITM site.
Did you notice that I changed the nytimes URL a tiny bit up there? nytimes3xbfgragh.onion is the real one. (Yes, there's no guarantee that someone else would be able to generate a specific alternate address, but one that also starts with nytimes is probably possible for a well-resourced attacker.)
Re:The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service
by dublinben on Friday October 27, 2017 @11:10AM
(#15569129)
DV lets you know that you're connecting to the domain that you're connecting to. You already know that with all onion addresses.
EV lets you assure that you are connected to the New York Times.
Re:The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service
by detaro on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:07PM
(#15570243)
I believe the original post meant "meaningful as form of identity" to human brains, not technical identity.
Re:The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service
by komali2 on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:08PM
(#15570259)
I'm trying to understand onion/tor better, what about Onion addresses specifically make them I guess invulnerable to man in the middle attacks?
Re:The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service
by detaro on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:11PM
(#15570285)
The public key is encoded in the onion address, so the client can verify the server you connect to has the matching private key. This is part of the tor protocol, so happens always when talking to onion services.
Re:The New York Times Is Now Available as a Tor Onion Service
by xorcist on Saturday October 28, 2017 @03:53AM
(#15574383)
Onion domains are a form of content addressing based on public key pairs. Normally onion domains aren't that readable as the nytimes one and look more like a bunch of random letters. (All nytimes did was generate many million key pairs until they found one that looked cool.)
If you fetch web pages from http://abc123.onion you bascially tell tor "connect me to whoever holds the certificate with fingerprint abc123". Any domain validated certificates on top of that is superfluous since you already know which certificate you are talking to. What you don't know is who holds it. This is where organizationally validated certificates can help.
There's a couple of other differences with .onion certs too: https://certsimple.com/help/tor-support