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Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by spaceflunky on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:26PM (#15561057)
I don't think that's the argument. Reddit has every right NOT to host any subreddit it doesn't want to.

The question is, why ban far-right subreddits, but leave far-left subreddits intact? That's the issue.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by eroccatlun on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:59PM (#15561934)
"Its only violence if its against me, not if its against those I disagree with" - most of the replies to this
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by bbctol on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:30PM (#15561099)
Serious question: what far-left subreddits? Not trying for snark, I really don't know what the left equivalent of like... /r/DylannRoofInnocent would be on reddit.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by swalsh on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:43PM (#15561231)
Not saying it's equivalent..... But there is /r/SocialistRA/ its a place where people are actively organizing armed groups for the purpose of a theoretical future communist revolution :\

I hung around there for a bit, as a liberal supporter of the second amendment, and advocate for socialized healthcare... but when I clarified their positions, I found them to be far more extreme then I was personally comfortable with.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by tomtheelder on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:07PM (#15562021)
Had never heard of that, just popped in there. Definitely seems like it falls into the same group as some of these banned subs. A lot of just generic gun related content, but then a fair number of posts about killing political adversaries. Didn't have to scroll down very far to find a post about having a large magazine so as to be able to kill many racists.

Not good, should get banned under new policy IMO.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by floatingatoll on Thursday October 26, 2017 @10:54PM (#15565338)
You should report them to Reddit!
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by spaceflunky on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:35PM (#15561150)
/r/latestagecapitalism and the plethora of antifa subreddits often call for violence against anyone that doesn't agree with them.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by gt_ on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:41PM (#15562285)
It should be clarified that late stage capitalism critique and antifa do not have any ideological or associational overlap. The former is theory limited to effects of economic relations, while the latter is a reactionary-by-nature political call to action. I realize this is not obvious in the names.

Fears from raised awareness of late stage capitalism would not by any sound logic even motivate assiciation with something like Antifa. It would more likely inform and divert one’s alignment with something like that.

In my view, one would have to be willfully ignorant to deny the first, and willfully ignorant to align with the latter. In my view, this is a pretty good example of why censoring these conversations is a terrible solution. It can only serve to limit our ability to have nuanced understandings about the world we live in.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by observation on Friday October 27, 2017 @05:25AM (#15566853)
For what it is worth I'd be categorized as far right and I agree with the spirit of what you're saying.

There are a lot of failure modes in politics and the widely held feeling that if only we nipped the 'extremes' at either end of the spectrum and everything would be alright, that is bunk.

I continue to see a conflation of violent extremism and how far the political orientation is from the center of politics.

One of the most important failures of the political spectrum model is the inability to recognize the center is a homogeneous place while the edges are extremely diverse. Like everything else it's a tree structure.

As I see it the most important error in recent years was the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. That didn't come about as a result of far right extremism or far left agitating. Broadly speaking neither faction wanted the war, so it must have come from the center.

It irks me that most attention is paid to the handful of violent ideologues, when the worst strategic errors are overlooked because they are closer to the center and have a body of political support. This is not a coherent way to police political violence.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by strathmeyer on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:59PM (#15561387)
Because they didn't ban far-right subreddits. Why lie about the issue?
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by SippinLean on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:39PM (#15561186)
The hate and neo-nazi subreddits are entirely on the far-right.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by enraged_camel on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:00PM (#15561398)
Which far-left subreddits support and advocate the extermination of entire ethnic/religious groups?
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by spaceflunky on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:13PM (#15561500)
Pretty much any subreddit that idolizes marxism, communism, the soviet union, or che guevara is in some way supporting or advocating the extermination of entire ethnic and religious groups. It's kind of hard to play the "only nazis want to kill people" when you have a soviet flag and hammer and sickle in your subreddit.

Proof of Soviet / Communist ethic cleansing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Sov...

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3229636/Martin%2...

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by tomtheelder on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:05PM (#15561996)
Don't conflate these. Glorification of the USSR is pretty bad, and is ignoring or endorsing a history of violence and oppression, similar to Nazi supporters. Advocating Communism is emphatically not the same thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with "the extermination of ethnic and religious groups."
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by spaceflunky on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:12PM (#15562047)
"Glorification of the Nazi Germany is pretty bad, and is ignoring or endorsing a history of violence and oppression, similar to Soviet supporters. Advocating National Socialism is emphatically not the same thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with "the extermination of ethnic and religious groups. National Socialism can exist without "the extermination of ethnic and religious groups."
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by observation on Thursday October 26, 2017 @07:34PM (#15564221)
Its targets would be based on class.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by YesonID on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:36PM (#15561703)
Don't know why this got downvoted. Communism has killed more than Nazi's, so if we're banning Nazi's because they're a potentially violent threat, it follows that communism/marxist subreddits would also be banned.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by tomtheelder on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:03PM (#15561975)
Governments of communist countries have killed millions, not communism itself. Communism is a political theory designed to try and support the common good and break a cycle of oppression and revolt. Hasn't worked in practice, probably won't, but it's certainly not a hate doctrine like Nazism.

Glorification of the USSR would be more complicated, and could be perceived as endorsing violence.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by YesonID on Thursday October 26, 2017 @04:23PM (#15562678)
"Individuals of Nazi ideologies have killed millions, not naziism itself."

If we're banning one -ism because it's considered violent/hateful, we need to ban all of the -isms that are more hateful/violent.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by UncleMeat on Thursday October 26, 2017 @05:42PM (#15563327)
The primary element of Nazism is violent racism. This is somewhat unique among political ideologies and makes these comparisons poor. If you ask a communist to describe their utopia, it almost certainly doesn't include millions of people being executed by the state. But ask a Nazi and it will.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by observation on Thursday October 26, 2017 @07:47PM (#15564297)
Have you met any tankies.

They do advocate for millions of class enemies to be killed.

Personally I feel, and I know many people disagree, that parallels between today and '30s are overrated.

While history can rhythm, the modern left and right have mythologized that period to the point it is unrecognizable.

People don't actually read books on WWII.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by YesonID on Thursday October 26, 2017 @05:54PM (#15563422)
Just because they don't describe it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Communist governments have killed more than Nazi governments. Banning one without the other is hypocritical.

Perhaps Reddit is okay with being hypocritical, just as long as they own up to it.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by thedaemon on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:59PM (#15561939)
Because Marxist Communism is about everyone being equal.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 26, 2017 @04:41PM (#15562810)
... and anyone who doesn't agree with Communism's version of that is an evil person who is promoting the exploitation of the downtrodden, and therefore inevitably will be violently opposed.

That is, though Marxist Communism talks about everyone being equal, it also talks about violence to those who disagree. And in practice, the violence has shown up more reliably than the equality has.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by YesonID on Thursday October 26, 2017 @05:23PM (#15563155)
Equally oppressed under a government regime.
Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by enraged_camel on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:03PM (#15561978)
>>Communism has killed more than Nazi's

Only because the USA decided to enter WW2 and helped defeat Germany. If the Nazis had won you would be looking at greatly elevated body count numbers today. After all Hitler viewed Aryans as the master race and all other races inferior, and the extermination of the Jews was simply the beginning of his grand plan.

Re:Reddit Is Removing Nazi and Alt-Right Groups and Some Use... by TotallyHuman on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:27PM (#15561071)
How else will they get their leftist echo chamber?