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Re:Berkeley Uses Optical Scanning to Recover Indigenous Voic... by microcolonel on Thursday October 26, 2017 @07:21AM (#15557901)
> This is a fairly terrible example given the number of book and other intellectual properties whose publishing is being controlled by their estates.

Even by Mickey Mouse standards of copyright, which don't even extend to works this old, these phonographs have been in the public domain for 15 or more years.

Not that this is the point I intended to argue.

> The special context for this is the previous mistreatment of indigenous people and their artefacts; therefore researchers these days tend to go to great lengths to include indigenous people and seek their approval, as a courtesy.

As for the previous (and ongoing!) mistreatment of indigenous people and their artifacts; I don't think that has anything at all to do with the ethics or rights regarding the publication of these recordings. To my knowledge, these recordings were never intended to be private to the band in the first place.

If people who lived near or with your great grandfather killed my great grandfather's people or ran them out of town, and my grandfather had on a separate occasion recorded a phonograph, knowing that it would be available to the recording party and all of their associates, in a language you're studying in present day, the crimes against my great grandfather's people would have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you should publish a recording he made available in the same timeframe (or in this case, after the brunt of the damage had already been done).

Re:Berkeley Uses Optical Scanning to Recover Indigenous Voic... by andrewem on Thursday October 26, 2017 @11:04AM (#15559455)
Let's say most of your great grandfather's people were killed by another group of people and dispossessed of their land and property. And then someone came along and coerced them into making recordings, perhaps of their secret religious songs. Maybe for instance your ancestor was desperately poor - because their land had been stolen etc - and someone came along offering you food or a little money to buy food. All you had to do was reveal your cultural legacy to the people who destroyed it. So now 100 years later do the descendants of those people have the moral justification to do whatever they want with the recordings?

I argue the answer is no, because there's at least a high likelihood that consent wasn't freely given.

Re:Berkeley Uses Optical Scanning to Recover Indigenous Voic... by eastern_eth0s on Thursday October 26, 2017 @11:45AM (#15559936)
Cultural artifacts have been separated from these peoples, separated from their context, and stored in European archival rooms since first contact. When doing this a trade is made -- the full context and meaning of the item is traded for possession of the sterile physical item itself. Extracted artifacts often did not come along with the meaning of the object, or the practices and traditions associated with it -- many times because they were private or sacred to the peoples from which the object was extracted.

So if your intent was to understand the culture and tradition of these peoples, or their artifacts, it makes a lot of sense to respect their traditions and cultural practices. As you know though things never quite happened this way -- there was a genocide -- extermination of their culture and people. So given the complete lack of respect or willingness to follow this principle historically, along with a genocide, researchers are especially careful to respect the wishes of the peoples whose stories, artifacts, traditions they are dealing with.

Re:Berkeley Uses Optical Scanning to Recover Indigenous Voic... by eesmith on Thursday October 26, 2017 @10:19AM (#15559020)
"To my knowledge, these recordings were never intended to be private to the band in the first place."

To your knowledge, did the people being recorded give informed consent to having those recordings heard by more than a few hundred people doing anthropological research?

Re:Berkeley Uses Optical Scanning to Recover Indigenous Voic... by adamsea on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:01PM (#15560786)
> As for the previous (and ongoing!) mistreatment of indigenous people and their artifacts; I don't think that has anything at all to do with the ethics or rights regarding the publication of these recordings.

Congratulations on having an opinion.