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Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by jbooth on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @10:32AM (#15550421)
Cultural wasteland?

Wait till you have kids. Turns out it doesn't matter whether you can see a post-alt-rock band in a small venue, it's past bedtime anyways, and spongebob on youtube works everywhere.

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by ikeyany on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @11:58AM (#15551202)
Again, not everyone believes 15 years chain restaurants, homogeneous lifestyle, and isolated affluence is worth it.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by jbooth on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:03PM (#15551263)
Chain restaurants?? We cook at home. Occasionally hit up our local pub in our cultural wasteland suburb.

People with kids and responsibilities have different concerns from those who don't. Whether what I ate or what entertainment I consume are fashionable enough doesn't even hit the radar -- I'm happy if I can eat anything in peace or get any downtime whatsoever for entertainment. You'll be there one day.

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by ikeyany on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @05:54PM (#15554622)
Culture doesn't mean being fashionable or trendy. I think you have a mistaken view of what culture means.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by jbooth on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @09:19PM (#15555640)
I get where you're coming from but you don't seem to get that other people have different priorities.

The set of people living in the burbs with families are generally living for their kids first and themselves a distant second. Consuming more interesting culture is great and all but it's still just consumption. Even if you're producing art or music, that's something for people with a lot of time for it unless they're doing it professionally. (and lots of great music has been created by bored suburban kids, FWIW).

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by rayiner on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @01:16PM (#15551966)
We're talking about suburbs where Uber and cab drivers can afford a house in a good school district. Those places aren't bastions of "homogeneous lifestyle" and "isolated affluence." More like ethnic restaurants and lots of economic/racial diversity.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by api on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @11:13AM (#15550782)
Wait till your kids are teens and they have nothing to do but drugs and video games because there is nothing else within 200 miles.

The parent poster is right: most of the USA is cultural wasteland. It's also largely an entrepreneurial wasteland. New value creation is concentrated in the same hot spots as new culture creation.

This is always true everywhere to some extent but it's gotten much worse over my life time. I grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio and I remember being a teen and an early twenty something there. You knew you weren't New York but there was a sense that things were possible. I worked on some pretty cutting edge software stuff around web and Internet there in the late 90s. Today it's an opium addiction ward and everyone who wants to do anything leaves. Meanwhile the "alpha cities" are experiencing uncontrollable real estate hyperinflation since everyone who wants to do anything must move there. This real estate hyperinflation problem is a symptom of something much larger.

The majority of the USA (by land area) is in a permanent malaise and has been since ~2000-2001. I quite frankly find it terrifying. It's a precursor to fascism, totalitarian socialism, or dissolution.

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by deadmetheny on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:45PM (#15551686)
>Wait till your kids are teens and they have nothing to do but drugs and video games because there is nothing else within 200 miles.

Teens do drugs and play video games even in your shining coastal beacons of civilization.

>It's also largely an entrepreneurial wasteland ... Meanwhile the "alpha cities" are experiencing uncontrollable real estate hyperinflation since everyone who wants to do anything must move there If you're trying to become a millionaire making trash like Uber for banana hammocks, sure. Small businesses do just fine outside of dying small rural towns. Midwestern cities have plenty of work in my experience, it's just not the sexy "let's trick ourselves into thinking we're changing the world with our app" kind of work.

I mean, you're not wrong that there's a malaise going around the country in a seriously troubling way. We live in an era where remote work is very doable for many of us and there's no good reason we have to all live in coastal cities. My reflex is to blame the VCs for this, but there's plenty of other businesses that also don't do it for whatever reason. IMO this mindset needs to change, and quickly.

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by api on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @02:03PM (#15552461)
Kids do those things everywhere but there's a difference in intensity.

I agree about VCs. In my experience the coastal cities do not have a monopoly on talent but they do have a strong monopoly on investment capital for new businesses.

I think it's a branding thing too. If you were an angel and saw a company on AngelList would you be more likely to fund them if they were from:

(a) Mountain View, California

(b) Los Angeles, California

(c) New York, New York

(d) Cincinnati, Ohio

(e) Louisville, Kentucky

I bet you picked (a).

Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by deadmetheny on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @03:56PM (#15553553)
I'd be more inclined to pick (d) or (e), due to living in the Midwest and wishing to do my part to help fund new ventures in this part of the country. Which really just loops back to proving that the VC investment opportunities are limited to the coasts where those VCs are located - it makes good sense for them to want to invest in their local-ish economies, after all.
Re:How did we create a society where we can’t afford to live... by ShabbosGoy on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:25PM (#15551513)
> Wait till your kids are teens and they have nothing to do but drugs and video games because there is nothing else within 200 miles.

Uhh, I think we live in very different realities. Drugs and video games are proper subcultures in their own right. It has nothing to do with where you live and more to do with your identity.