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Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by danenania on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:50PM (#15535865)
Is there a universe outside of our consciousness? This cannot be proven, so if it is to be believed, it must be a matter of faith.

Consciousness is the only thing we can be certain of.

Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by ElatedOwl on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:09PM (#15536029)
Can we be certain of consciousness? How can we be certain that what we perceive as reality isn't some demon feeding sensory information to our brain?
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by danenania on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:45PM (#15536346)
That would still be consciousness--or call it 'perception' if you like. But yes, objectively speaking, this is as likely to be the case as any other explanation.
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by liberte82 on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:06PM (#15536937)
We can be certain of - "something's going on". That's about as far as we can take it, but it's something that isn't nothing.
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by SerLava on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:01PM (#15535968)
It can be proven. Look down at your navel. Did you know about that lint? It was outside of your consciousness.

Maybe that lint was it, but probably not.

Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by akvadrako on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:10PM (#15536041)
That doesn't prove it - maybe you just decided there was lint there when you looked down.
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by reggieband on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:15PM (#15536081)
I often think of GE Moore when I see this argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by danenania on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:50PM (#15536374)
That argument simply assumes its conclusion by arbitrarily labelling hands as 'external'.

The 'existence' of our hands is perceived by our senses and filtered through consciousness. There is no way to prove that they actually exist outside of our minds.

Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by golergka on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:07PM (#15536020)
Things that cannot be "proven" still can have vastly different probabilities, according to prior observations.
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by danenania on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:51PM (#15536382)
There are no observations that are not products of consciousness, so there are no prior observations in this case.
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by JeffreyKaine on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:01PM (#15535970)
I think therefore I am?
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by kazinator on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:13PM (#15536071)
I think, therefore I avoid vacuous statements like "I am therefore I am"; moreover, I think I am.
Re:Is the Universe Conscious? by liberte82 on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:07PM (#15536942)
It's raining, therefore it is