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Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by jorblumesea on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:35PM (#15535060)
Jesus, 2k / person a month is insane. This is what people are talking about. This is not acceptable or normal. I pay $900 / person a month for a large house in Seattle that's a 15 minute commute from downtown. Even with the bay's high salaries you're not doing very well. Throw in bills and other expenses and you're looking at ~40% of your monthly income, assuming a salary of 130k. That's ~50k per person, per year, in addition to 100k down.

I'm good on that, thanks.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by bduerst on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:51PM (#15535259)
It's also hyperbole. It's closer to ~5K per month for a $1M mortgage with insurance and taxes in the bay today.

By the rule of thirds, that's $60K/yr meaning $180K+/yr salary is necessary. This is for suburban living in a remodeled 70's ranch home, not in an urban area.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by oaijdsfoaijsf on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:55PM (#15535307)
But a $180k gross income is not particularly unusual in the Bay. I mean, that's still in junior engineer territory at one of the BigCos (Apple, Google, Facebook, etc.).
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by bduerst on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:58PM (#15535338)
For a techie who's in the top 10% of earners, sure, but we're talking about averages. $180k gross is ridiculous for the average job, even in the bay.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by jorblumesea on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:03PM (#15535382)
What about regular people? Is everyone expected to be some high paid unicorn/big 4 engineer? Society is more than just rich techies.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by s0rce on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:18PM (#15535524)
"Regular people" in big populated urban areas can't expect to own a detached home, they can live in condos/apartments like they do in Asian cities, NYC and other densely populated cities.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by bduerst on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:22PM (#15535565)
The bay area isn't urban - we're talking about large stretches of suburbia. The area also isn't converting to urban despite the demand, which is part of what the article is talking about.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by s0rce on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:11PM (#15536048)
That's a good point. It is a bit unique situation where there are small suburban homes for $2M+.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by jorblumesea on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:28PM (#15535631)
None of that exists in the bay. There's nothing in terms of affordable housing. That's the entire point of the article. No one can afford to live there except for highly paid engineers. A condo will run you 700k easily in any decent place.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by hx87 on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:21PM (#15537037)
That's why they tore down all the single family houses in Sunset & Richmond to make way for 5 story apartment blocks. Oh wait...
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by sampo on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:53PM (#15536843)
> they can live in condos/apartments

How much do those cost in the Bay Area?

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by WalterSear on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:38PM (#15535731)
No, that's not junior engineer territory, even at the BigCos.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by askafriend on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @02:08AM (#15539588)
Yes, it is. $170-200k in comp per year is the baseline at a company like FB or Google. It’s typically broken down into something like 105-115k base, 40-50k liquid stock vesting per year, 10-15% yearly bonus, and some kind of one time signing bonus given as a lump sum on the start date.

That’s for someone fresh out of a top school who hasn’t even negotiated at all. There are many new grads in the bay area that recieve this kind of comp.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by jboggan on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:57PM (#15536430)
That's what all the college grads I knew at Google 2016-2017 were making, probably closer to $200k unless they started trimming the RSU grants because of $GOOG appreciation.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by ptero on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:00PM (#15535352)
It is not that insane. IMO it is not sustainable (which is why I think I would not buy into SF real estate even if I worked there), but SF salaries are often significantly higher than elsewhere, so renting is a perfectly viable option.

Assuming 40% tax bracket, a 30k salary difference gives you 1500/month extra after taxes that you can spend on your apartment. If you consider a couple with in demand tech skills they may be significantly better off financially moving to SF, where they are likely to both find very competitive salaries. In many other areas they may have to contend with one person getting into his best career path and the other choosing from limited options to be nearby.

I am not advocating SF living, e.g. this is not my kettle of fish simply due to the quality of life choices, but from a purely financial viewpoint it is not that hopeless (yet?).

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by jorblumesea on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:38PM (#15535733)
I don't think everyone is paid as highly as everyone claims. Sure, top engineers make enough to make it work but many only get marginal pay increases. I really don't think it balances out for most.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by morgante on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:05PM (#15535407)
> Throw in bills and other expenses and you're looking at ~40% of your monthly income, assuming a salary of 130k.

That's not a very good assumption. $130k is on the low end for anyone with enough experience to be looking at a home purchase.

I don't know why an absolute value is ever considered "insane." If salaries support it, it's not insane.

Even with the high housing prices (caused mostly by regressive zoning policies), senior engineers at a big tech company or late-stage startups should be able to afford a home.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by tytytytytytytyt on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:43PM (#15535176)
It's hardly insane for a house in a large metropolitan area! That's actually pretty reasonable, and lots of apartments in SF are 50% to 100% more in rent. If you look at current, or anything within maybe 5 years, house prices in Seattle I doubt you'll find much if anything within a 15 minute commute to downtown Seattle for a 900/month mortgage.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by jorblumesea on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:46PM (#15535199)
Other than NYC that's close to 50% more than what you can expect in any large American city. That is not reasonable in any sense of the word. 4k / month mortgage is around a $1 mil home value.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by PeterisP on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:12PM (#15536556)
Is a 50% variation in housing costs between large American cities not reasonable in any sense of the word?

The per-capita GDP variation between large American cities is larger than that, and there's no good reason to expect housing to cost the same in very different cities.

Some cities having housing cost at least 50% more (or double) the national average seems like something that would be the case in pretty much any country in any period of history.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by tytytytytytytyt on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:30PM (#15536707)
So you're now moving the goalposts from 2k / month up to 4k / month? Nice.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by wil421 on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:51PM (#15535267)
Absolutely insane. Going to buy a house with a 15 minute commute by train downtown. I’m looking to spend less than ~350k for a house with around 1500sq feet and fenced in yard.

I will be spending less than $2k total a month. West coast is crazy.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by tytytytytytytyt on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:34PM (#15536737)
2k/month is fine. The guy I responded to is now moving the goalposts up to 4k/month, which is significantly more.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by softawre on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:32PM (#15536244)
I just paid 290k for a 3500sq-ft home with a big yard in a great school district. Indy aint so bad.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by NonEUCitizen on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:00PM (#15535351)
Where are you buying?
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by wil421 on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:18PM (#15535519)
Atlanta and in an area that has exploded in the past 5 years. Comparable to Austin, Houston and maybe Portland. Maybe not so comparable for Portland anymore.

Bankrate calculator says it’s $700k more expensive for the same house in SF.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by bking on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:00PM (#15535959)
Yeah, ATL is adding a number of tech jobs (hopefully Amazon too). Cost of living is increasing, but relative to everywhere else it is cheap to live in the city center. Developments of apartments and condos has exploded, which is making for a nice urban feel.