Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by Turing_Machine on Sunday October 22, 2017 @09:14PM
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Aircraft fuel efficiency has improved by more than 50% since the 1960s. Most people would call that more than "a few percent".
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Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by WalterBright on Sunday October 22, 2017 @09:58PM
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That's subsonic fuel efficiency. Supersonic is another thing entirely.
The supersonic wing is also terrible at subsonic speeds, meaning it takes a terrifying amount of fuel to push it up to altitude and supersonic. Military supersonics deal with this by getting a drink from a tanker after takeoff.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by neurotech1 on Sunday October 22, 2017 @10:16PM
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Boom are flying with turbofan engines, not the turbojet engines that were common in the 60s.
As for aerodynamics, the F-22 is relatively efficient at high subsonic speed and also doesn't require external tanks like earlier jets do.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by WalterBright on Sunday October 22, 2017 @10:56PM
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Wikipedia says that the F-22 is able to supercruise without afterburner, using turbofan engines. This may be the key.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by techdragon on Sunday October 22, 2017 @11:29PM
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Supersonic capable turbofans that are able to get the "force multiplier" of using bypass airflow for thrust at supersonic speeds are honestly the key enabling technology here.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by ddalex on Monday October 23, 2017 @12:15AM
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So basically a supersonic turbofan is a SCRAMJET behind the first fan?
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by techdragon on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @05:22AM
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Not being an expert on supersonic turbofans, I went to the obvious first information source and it was surprisingly illustrative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbofan
From a little further reading it seems it seems that supersonic turbofans are actually just the apex of the continued sophisticated work being done on jet engines which has allowed them to push the intake fans of low bypass turbofans up to supersonic airflow speeds.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by gaius on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:30AM
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As is the Typhoon
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by swendoog on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:07AM
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Why has nobody designed a variable width wing? One that can expand / contract for different speeds?
Naïve question, I know. Just curious...
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by WalterBright on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:04AM
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They're called flaps and slats.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by gns24 on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:19AM
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Barnes Wallis developed some interesting designs in the early 50s: http://www.sirbarneswallis.com/Supersonics.htm
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by webreac on Monday October 23, 2017 @01:45AM
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Concorde has a variable width wing.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by DuskStar on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:46AM
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I think they mean variable geometry more in the line of the B-1 Lancer or F-14 Tomcat... And the answer is probably cost, complexity, reliability and weight.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by WalterBright on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:03AM
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All four of those.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by chris_va on Sunday October 22, 2017 @09:24PM
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To be fair, the cost of jet fuel has increased by more than 50% too, and won't be the dominant cost if they are only shipping 70 jets.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by Turing_Machine on Sunday October 22, 2017 @09:30PM
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But the comparison is with the costs of the Concorde when it was shut down in 2003, not the costs of the Concorde in the 1960s.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by valuearb on Sunday October 22, 2017 @09:53PM
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According to US census bureau, per capital income in US has increased by 10x since late 60s. Jet fuel prices have increased around 6x, from around 30 cents to around $2. So wouldn’t that make jet fuel more affordable?
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by joezydeco on Sunday October 22, 2017 @10:48PM
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Did you account for inflation? $1 in 1970 is worth $6.52 now.
Re:Boom has orders for 76 of its future supersonic passenger...
by Godel_unicode on Monday October 23, 2017 @12:19AM
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Inflation, the general rate at which the price of goods and services is rising and falling, is literally the calculation made in the post to which you have replied.