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Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by gt_ on Thursday October 19, 2017 @07:36PM (#15512455)
It treats it's students no better. The student loan crisis is by far the biggest foot in Academia's mouth. Academia's politics don't apply to academia.
Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by r00fus on Thursday October 19, 2017 @07:58PM (#15512558)
Is Academia one entity? Do you consider Adjunct Professors to be part of Academia?

Perhaps ... the system is the result of organizational dynamics and some basic rules that some exploit and others get exploited by.

Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by gt_ on Thursday October 19, 2017 @08:19PM (#15512659)
Academia is essentially a class of institutions and/or an industry concerned with higher education. Of course adjunct professors would be associated here.

Apparently you are missing the irony in such critical theory, post-structuralism, marxism, etc. having been so vigorously theorized that it's application was overlooked! The "system" here is quite late to blame itself and the brazen approach to doing so is a bit humurous.

Are you seeking to divide academia into smaller parts; innocent ones and guilty others? Where have we seen that before?

Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by r00fus on Thursday October 19, 2017 @08:26PM (#15512687)
Adjunct professors are notoriously overworked by the rest of "Academia"... they're like the H1B workers in tech.

Face it, the entire system probably needs an overhaul but isn't governed by some sort of "evil overmind". Small regulatory or incentive-based changes or movements like unionization will probably cause the system to re-adjust.

Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by gt_ on Thursday October 19, 2017 @08:35PM (#15512715)
You are misunderstood about my point. I do not assume any authoritarian presence.

I guess it's just textbook components of neo-liberalism: priorities which lead to bloated administration and marketing initiatives.

I agree unionizing is a good solution. One would think the experts would have acted sooner; that's all. The trajectory has been obvious for a very long time.

Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by r00fus on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:21AM (#15513677)
"Les cordonniers sont les plus mal chaussés." - roughly translated: the shoemakers often has the worst shoes.
Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by gt_ on Friday October 20, 2017 @10:47AM (#15516182)
Your point falls flat when we consider the student loan emabrrassment the professors have (with similar snide elegance) overlooked.

To clarify, the shoemaker's customers in your analogy (the students) have been wearing worse shoes for much longer.

There is a sense that liberal academics assume, which purports that they carry the torch of revolution or something like this. The notion, however, lives only in the academic professorial abstract and fails to materialize outside of it. This torch is an academic torch, not a proletariat torch, not a working class torch. This is a bourjois torch.

Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by kd0amg on Friday October 20, 2017 @08:18AM (#15515148)
Academia's politics

Does this refer to political attitudes typically associated with faculty?

academia

And this to decisions made by university administrators?

If so, then no, I don't expect one to apply to the other.

Re:University of Chicago Graduate Students Vote to Unionize by gt_ on Friday October 20, 2017 @09:37AM (#15515623)
By Academia's politics I am referring to the faculty'sgeneral leftist views, which I myself widely share.

By academia I mean the whole thing.

The faculty has maintained these these acclaimed leftist views for many decades, sat back and drank Kool-Aid while the administration took on the bloat. They were too busy climbing the ladder and forgot to critique it; no better than than the rest of the average neo-liberals.

Student debt swallowed at least 2 generations whole while the faculty did nothing. They didn't have to. But, they'll be the first to commend a proletariat revolution which remains a safe enough distance from their job. I cannot help notice the hypocrisy here.