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Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by ksk on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @11:58AM (#15492015)
Just to give a counter point - every single device we use at work (biotech R&D) requires windows. All of our equipment (plate readers, flocytometry, purification systems, PCR, fermentors, congutators,etc etc) runs on windows-only software. And these are all several hundred million dollar verticals. Personally, I haven't run into a single piece of equipment that works with MacOS. Except maybe one of our bioreactors, which used a web interface, but that too required a windows tool for other things. Windows is used in a TON of proper manufacturing setups, traditionally only for SCADA/HMI, but more so now on the control side, with PC based automation becoming more prominent.

Which ecosystem is "poor" depends on your own current situation.

Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by xenihn on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @12:43PM (#15492420)
As far as I know, you can somewhat easily run Windows on Mac hardware. The opposite isn't true.
Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by kn0where on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @01:50PM (#15493022)
Microsoft does an excellent job making Windows run on just about any x86[_64] device (excluding ancient hardware). Windows runs perfectly on a Mac, whether in a VM or via dual boot.
Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by MikusR on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @02:10PM (#15493224)
Even on Macs that can't run current Mac OS version
Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by rikkus on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @01:29PM (#15501058)
Does the touchpad work properly now? Last time I checked was 2010 so obviously it might have improved.
Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by ksk on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @02:14PM (#15493270)
Yeah, but I don't know if you can get your system validated, which is a requirement for us, and most people in this field. The HN audience is more aligned towards certain domains, and I merely wanted to present an alternate context. Not that it matters, but I like using OSX :)
Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by nathansoz on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @03:25PM (#15494046)
Which is super unfortunate considering it is an artificial limitation.
Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by dawnerd on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @01:51PM (#15493029)
> The opposite isn't true.

Sure you can. I've gotten macos installed in a vm and even ran a hackintosh for a while which was remarkably easy these days.

Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by 0xFFC on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @02:17PM (#15493303)
No it is not. It is not officially supported nor there is strong community support. When people like myself want for work, i want something 100% , I cannot explain it to my supervisor:”naaah, my hackintosh required a little bit of maintenance, so that’s why I submitted the paper late”.
Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by dawnerd on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @02:45PM (#15493622)
Fair enough. Although I’ve had just as many issues running Windows in boot camp.

I do realllly wish Apple would open up and let us officially install on different hardware - especially if they’re only going to update the Mac pros every few years.

Re:Introducing Surface Book 2 by pier25 on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @01:02PM (#15492591)
> Which ecosystem is "poor" depends on your own current situation

Indeed, I was speaking from my personal experience.