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Re:Key Reinstallation Attacks – Breaking WPA2 by Forcing Non... by peterwwillis on Monday October 16, 2017 @07:19AM (#15482408)
Preload lists are not a realistic solution (you can't preload the whole internet) and a sufficiently complicated site will be subverted due to 3rd party dependencies. And does uninstalling a browser not clear the hsts cache?
Re:Key Reinstallation Attacks – Breaking WPA2 by Forcing Non... by pfg on Monday October 16, 2017 @08:53AM (#15482821)
Perfect is the enemy of good. A large portion of sensitive traffic is protected by HSTS today, and the preload list compresses well. By the time it'll become a problem, we'll hopefully be at the stage where HTTP is treated as insecure anyway.

I'm not certain if uninstalling a browser clears the cache (do uninstalled browsers retain their profiles?), but preloaded sites would not be affected - they're included in the browser binary. Either way, let's not act like there's a massive hole in HSTS because there's a possibility that users might go as far as reinstalling their browser to visit a not-preloaded HSTS-enabled site that's being targeted.

Re:Key Reinstallation Attacks – Breaking WPA2 by Forcing Non... by peterwwillis on Monday October 16, 2017 @10:59AM (#15483640)
I'm not saying it's a massive hole, i'm saying it's an easily preventable hole that the entire industry is ignoring for unknown reasons. One simple URI change could make HSTS obsolete and fix the hole with no need for awkward workarounds and half-measures. Nobody has yet explained to me why "good enough" is better than "fixed".
Re:Key Reinstallation Attacks – Breaking WPA2 by Forcing Non... by mtgx on Monday October 16, 2017 @09:25AM (#15482962)
> you can't preload the whole internet

"You wouldn't HSTS the whole internet, would you?"

Google: "Hold my beer..."

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/10/03/google-is-making...

Right now it's mostly unimportant new domains, but it's a start, and they could convince other domain registrars to follow-suit.

Re:Key Reinstallation Attacks – Breaking WPA2 by Forcing Non... by twitchyliquid64 on Monday October 16, 2017 @08:41AM (#15482764)
You can't preload the whole internet, but by getting the top xx thousand you get 99% of all Chrome users traffic. Its not perfect, but it is very, very effective.