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Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by rtpg on Monday October 16, 2017 @12:59AM (#15480938)
Don't the BMWs of the world have this tech integrated into their cars too?

I get Tesla's cars are really good, but my understanding was that it wasn't "miles ahead".

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by ucaetano on Monday October 16, 2017 @02:05AM (#15481186)
Yes, actually, most of the "Autopilot" features have been available in production cars for over a decade. Tesla is really late to this game, although people can't seem to realize it because of the distortion field.

And that's before we get into disengagements per 1000 miles, where Tesla trails most of the industry by far.

No wonder Musk tries to demonize AI. Self-driving is a race to the bottom, with its development slashing car sales by an order of magnitude. That would be bad for an established, mature, car maker, but would be crushing for a company relying purely on future growth.

Not only Tesla is behind most in self-driving, it is the most exposed to the downsides of it.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by r00fus on Monday October 16, 2017 @02:14AM (#15481218)
> Self-driving is a race to the bottom, with its development slashing car sales by an order of magnitude.

This isn't bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth.

Steve Jobs was also famous for denouncing something right up until Apple had "the best on the market" of that same thing. It seems like standard CEO playbook.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by ucaetano on Monday October 16, 2017 @02:50AM (#15481337)
> This isn't bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth.

Fixing it:

This isn't too bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth.

But you won't be the only one for long. And then the entire industry will downsize.

And Tesla is (1) the most susceptible to it, since most of the enterprise value comes from expectation of future growth and (2) it lags behind other makers in self-driving tech.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by TeMPOraL on Monday October 16, 2017 @06:09AM (#15482099)
> No wonder Musk tries to demonize AI.

Ockham's razor suggests it's more likely Elon Musk simply got convinced by the Yudkowsky/Bostrom view on the problem of Unfriendly AI (I particularly recall Musk starting to talk about AI only after reading Bostrom's Superintelligence, but that might have been just a coincidence).

Also note that Musk is "demonizing" advanced AI that doesn't exist yet, but is huge on self-driving.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by ucaetano on Monday October 16, 2017 @07:50PM (#15487600)
Ockham razor suggests that he's doing so to avoid losing money. That's a far, far more simple explanation.
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 17, 2017 @01:09AM (#15488816)
It doesn't pass the sniff test. Musk demonizing AI to slow down progress in self-driving even though he's very big on it and pushing hard to make it work? What?
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by eclipxe on Monday October 16, 2017 @01:21AM (#15481028)
Yes many other's have autopilot-like tech. BMW's system on the 7-series and newer 5-series is about as good as Tesla's AP1 and better than AP2. AP2 is still far behind the curve.
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by carlivar on Monday October 16, 2017 @01:50AM (#15481126)
I compared Tesla Model 3 to Bolt and Leaf.

7-series and 5-series are simply too expensive. If BMW can get it in the 3-series at a Tesla Model 3 price, things will get interesting.

Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by mantas on Monday October 16, 2017 @03:24AM (#15481445)
Even VW Golf has (as options) quite a bit of these things. obstacles radar(adaptive cruise control/city safety), blind spot and lane departure warning, self parking...
Re:Tesla’s New Car Smell by prostoalex on Monday October 16, 2017 @02:51AM (#15481342)
It’s not an off-the-shelf sensor one can buy, integrate, and congratulate oneself on the job well done.

The learning systems need to be fed data to improve their models, so that they can understand bad lane markup, merging lanes, diverging lanes, lane splits and highway off-ramps, construction cones and barriers, motorcycles and trucks being obstacles and flying plastic bags and garbage not being an obstacle.

Unless they’re buying this data some place else, it needs to come from millions of miles driven by the current owners.