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Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by fzeroracer on Saturday October 14, 2017 @02:43PM (#15473546)
The American Dream has been for many years to own a nice piece of property and work your way up the corporate chain at a single company until you die. Both of which have been radically shifting as technology improves productivity and global competition becomes more of a major factor. We see people stuck in this mindset that a job will last you forever (and in many cases there are still towns where there is only One Company and One Job) and as a result have been put in a lose-lose situation.

Meanwhile, other nations have a more flexible workforce that are cheaper to pay for roughly the same productivity in many cases.

Unfortunately there is no easy solution for this problem. For the people located in areas where jobs have entirely vanished you would have to relocate the population but that goes against the dream. You could cut regulations in order to entice companies to come back, but then you're selling the lives and well-being of the American people for jobs that Americans might not even do (see: labor shortages in the farm industries).

America will need to find a way to handle this and fast as automated cars enter the market and cut another huge swathe out of the market. The difference there though is that you can't blame other races or countries for taking your jobs.

Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by erentz on Saturday October 14, 2017 @03:06PM (#15473667)
> For the people located in areas where jobs have entirely vanished you would have to relocate the population but that goes against the dream.

Relocate them where? American's are incredibly mobile in my experience, from going to college in another state, to having families sprawled across different states. If it were as simple as moving, people would be doing it.

> You could cut regulations in order to entice companies to come back...

Times have changed and we need to adjust to it. USA Inc makes a huge amount of money. In the past that required a lot of people in the workforce. Today it doesn't require nearly as many but we're making even more money! So the solution is not to remove regulation to have more people taken advantage of in dangerous factories and so we can pollute our environment. That does not benefit the Americans who live here who do not have jobs.

We need to come to an acceptance of the changing times and decide what it means to still have a society. Either we agree that we (USA Inc) make more than enough money for everyone in the country to have a good life (which we do), and work out the redistribution problem (which could take many forms), or we continue as we are with a whole lot of fellow citizens suffering needlessly.

Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by neuro_imager on Saturday October 14, 2017 @06:54PM (#15474767)
"We need to come to an acceptance of the changing times and decide what it means to still have a society. Either we agree that we (USA Inc) make more than enough money for everyone in the country to have a good life (which we do), and work out the redistribution problem (which could take many forms), or we continue as we are with a whole lot of fellow citizens suffering needlessly."

As a foreigner living in the USA I'm sad to say that I both agree wholeheartedly with this comment and realise that it can never come to pass.

The entire political landscape of the US is built on ideological caricatures like the strong, independent, free American and the demon of socialism (or anything that even vaguely represents it).

The unfortunate consequence of this is a society sorely lacking in social concern with massive impediments to developing core infrastructure. Of course this benefits the ruling class who don't have to spend money on developing facilities that could benefit the lives of Americans.

Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by pxeboot on Saturday October 14, 2017 @04:55PM (#15474248)
The percentage of people moving even relatively short distances has actually gone down significantly in the past several decades.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2017/...

Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by kabulykos on Saturday October 14, 2017 @05:18PM (#15474366)
While there's definitely signs of geographic stickiness nowadays, I wish someone would age-adjust those statistics — above a certain age people tend not to move at all, and we have way more people above a certain age nowadays.
Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by TheAdamAndChe on Sunday October 15, 2017 @06:50AM (#15476622)
As a young person, I refuse to move to a bigger city than where I'm at. I've got a wife who has a career, which makes moving incredibly difficult. I also don't want to move farther away from my family and go to a high cost-of-living city just so that major corporations can take advantage of the population density to have a deleveraged work force.
Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by pgeorgi on Saturday October 14, 2017 @02:48PM (#15473570)
> other nations have a more flexible workforce

That story seems to be told to every nation's workforce, and so I'd be suspicious about that.

Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by eternauta3k on Saturday October 14, 2017 @06:54PM (#15474771)
Specially more family-oriented cultures where it's rare to move far from your relatives.
Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by pjc50 on Saturday October 14, 2017 @03:02PM (#15473638)
I suspect that "flexibility" and "precarity" are effectively the same thing here, especially if more flexibility results in less pay. If everything else was equal, flexible employees would be more expensive - like contractors and flexible plane tickets.
Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by drdeadringer on Saturday October 14, 2017 @02:52PM (#15473592)
I'm not old certainly, but it did take me longer than I'd like to admit to rid myself of The American Dream as you define. Now I hold no shame in having a grocery list of employment history, but the mental gymnastics to get there was not going to earn me a gold medal on aesthetics points.
Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by occultist_throw on Saturday October 14, 2017 @08:03PM (#15475038)
Indeed. the "American Dream" happened only for as far as I can tell, from the 60's and 70's. before that was war-torn, and after that was republican-destroyed.

What we saw in 2000 and 2006 was a revival in the tech industry. It was big if you were in those areas, but minuscule outside. And the downturn in 2001 and 2008 was bad for all.

The cycle of boom/bust is only going to get quicker as capitalism goes on. Marx saw that in when, the 1850's? Not that Marxist Communism is good but his major contribution is that of critic. According to the boom/bust cycles, we should be starting one shortly, if not already in one.

Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by crdoconnor on Saturday October 14, 2017 @07:57PM (#15475015)
>Unfortunately there is no easy solution for this problem.

* Stop doing trade deals with countries that have poor environmental and labor standards.

* Ramp up fiscal spending and hire hundreds of thousands people to fix and build infrastructure. If the automation revolution really is coming it will be overwhelmingly deflationary, so loosening the purse strings is the most prudent course of action.

The problem isn't that there aren't straightforward solutions. The problem is that those solutions are threatening to American oligarchs.

Re:Becoming a Steelworker Liberated Her, Then Her Job Moved ... by WalterBright on Sunday October 15, 2017 @01:02AM (#15475978)
> at a single company

I often wonder if this was actually true, or something invented by nostalgia. For example, I often hear that in the good ole' days a college degree was a guarantee of a good job, but this was never true. You still had to get a degree in something useful, and you had to pass a job interview, etc.

For example, when I went to college in the 70's, it was common knowledge that you could not get a job with an AY (Astronomy) degree. The AY students tended to be double majors - AY for fun, and EE to get a job. I as well selected courses that I hoped would maximize my job prospects and flexibility.

Some of my fellow students were fairly unemployable, despite having a degree.

Furthermore, the job market, demographics, locations, everything about jobs, has been constantly shifting throughout American history. Constant upheaval is the norm.