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Re:Universal Basic Income and the threat of tyranny by clavalle on Thursday October 12, 2017 @10:22AM (#15458127)
>The difference is that you could not make more than that

Pretty big difference. A core difference, as a matter of fact.

Switzerland has the 9th highest GDP per capita (higher than the US) in the world. They rank 4th in a tight bunch at the top of the world happiness index. It seems that UBI hasn't collapsed their country or turned it into a dystopian tyranny.

Re:Universal Basic Income and the threat of tyranny by walterstucco on Thursday October 12, 2017 @05:41PM (#15461541)
> Pretty big difference. A core difference, as a matter of fact

Not as much as you think

USSR collapsed under war debts and lack of freedom, not because people wanted more money

And the first notable consequence were people dying for home made vodka: they couldn't afford to buy vodka in the stores and poisoned themselves

> It seems that UBI

They rejected it!

That's why it did no harm

> Switzerland has the 9th highest GDP per capita

It matters only if you, as I said, live outside Switzerland

It's the 9th highest GDP per capita, but it probably ranks higher for living cost

If you live there, as I did, I can assure you that for your basic needs 30,000 Swiss francs (around 31,000 USD) are barely enough to survive

40 minutes away there's Italy, Milan, where 30,000 euros/year is more than enough to have a decent life

Don't you think this would put some pressure on Swiss borders?

It's what happened when Schengen allowed people to go to Berlin and live on allowance

UBI is a delicate matter, it make citizen dependent on the state providing, without giving bak

Now we in Europe have a pretty decent public health care, superior to the US one, and a pretty decent state welfare

It's based on the fact that everybody is contributing (well, if we don't count tax evasion, but that's a different matter) in proportion to their personal income

if a small part of the population is gonna live on UBI (say 15%) and nothing else, it's gonna put even more pressure on taxation of the productive segment of the population, which is already heavily taxed (in Italy on average is 47%, in Denmark it can reach a wobbling 60%)

It would destroy welfare as we know it

I'm not against, but I don't share the enthusiasm

I would be very careful