Much of the research around meditation and mindfulness has serious flaws

Re:Much of the research around meditation and mindfulness ha... by brango on Thursday October 12, 2017 @08:41AM (#15457521)

What you're describing can be helpful, but I'm describing a state where you fundamentally go beyond any involvement of thoughts including a countering internal dialogue. By many accounts, the key indicator of being in this state is one of peace/bliss/serenity/total contentment.

In fact, I should really say you operate from a place which is 'before thought', since 'beyond' suggests something after the thinking process. Actually it can almost feel like thinking is a strenuous burden in this state, which suggests you're 'before' the thinking process.

Observing thoughts while still operating from "within your mind", which it sounds like you're describing, doesn't necessarily lead to that experience.

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Re:Much of the research around meditation and mindfulness ha... by jononor on Thursday October 12, 2017 @10:53AM (#15458395)

Agreed, what I am describing is an introspective, not a blissful state. It can help to discard unnecessary bad thoughts, and to choose to pursue good experiences which one might otherwise not (be it due to fear, stigma or just not realizing it would probably be enjoyable). Have not been able to induce a serene state via meditation, still need to work on that.

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