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Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by wslh on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @07:46PM (#15454540)
It seems the Chinese government is fucking everything up. Those Chinese firms are investing in many companies outside USA, including South America and Africa where top American VCs don't usually invest. These firms believe more in globalization than USA itself.
Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by adventured on Thursday October 12, 2017 @02:08AM (#15455991)
> These firms believe more in globalization than USA itself.

You're confusing mercantilism and globalism. China's firms operate as an extended arm of China's domestic policies (or they don't operate at all).

The US allows Toyota (Honda, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, whomever) to set up its self-owned operations in the US and compete largely at will with Ford and GM. That's globalism. The US is still the king of it by far, among major economies. Compare the US rules in that regard to Germany, Japan and China (the next three largest economies); and maybe take a look at Brazil, India and Russia while you're at it (see: all the barriers put in Amazon's way in India).

Alibaba et al. are not busy in China aggressively arguing for the state to drop its one-sided economic policies. Those policies have gifted Alibaba the keys to a trillion dollar protected kingdom.

In the US, as a foreign entity you can establish a business and own 100% of it. Your rules of competition and operation are almost entirely the same as a native US firm. You can acquire the radical majority of all types of businesses at will (with a few exceptions). The US will allow a company like Bayer to buy a very important strategic company such as Monsanto, for example (or Sanofi with Genzyme, or Roche with Genentech). Such a thing would never be allowed in a million years in China.

Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by ulfw on Thursday October 12, 2017 @08:15AM (#15457395)
> In the US, as a foreign entity you can establish a business and own 100% of it.

Try to do that with an airline for example. Good luck getting more than 25%.

Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by rrrazdan on Thursday October 12, 2017 @09:02AM (#15457620)
What are the barriers put in Amazon's way in India? Really curious.
Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by danmaz74 on Thursday October 12, 2017 @05:20AM (#15456698)
> Germany

Wat?

Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by Cacti on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @08:09PM (#15454653)
No, they believe in using government money to invest/bribe overseas to build up a market for mid level Chinese goods. This is how they plan on moving up the goods ladder.
Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by wslh on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @08:20PM (#15454719)
We are talking about different things here. It is true that the Chinese government is expanding its influence worldwide but also true that some Chinese firms have a genuine investment interest outside mainland. Chinese are more eager to build strategic partnerships instead of having a vendor/client relationship, and... they work really really hard, which is a natural strategic advantage.
Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by alfredallan on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @09:56PM (#15455114)
Rephrasing the above post, sans adjectives: "building up foreign markets" - isn't that how globalization happens?
Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by charlesdm on Thursday October 12, 2017 @06:38AM (#15456978)
That's essentially what most Western European companies did (and probably) still do abroad, for the better part of two centuries.
Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by l5870uoo9y on Thursday October 12, 2017 @05:07AM (#15456643)
Besides a legacy of centralism, statism and being a one party state it is fairly simple; Beijing wants control over the strategic sector.
Re:Beijing Pushes for a Direct Hand in Big Chinese Tech Firms by justicezyx on Thursday October 12, 2017 @06:02AM (#15456849)
Chinese government is the least likely candidate for the word fucking around, they merely try their best to control and grow.