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Re:What Happens When a Suburb Begins to Die? by paganel on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @07:50AM (#15448963)
> Land in the city is expensive. Land in suburbia was (and still is) far cheaper. For $xx/month you can have twice as much "visible wealth" at the expense of a longer commute

The same thing (i.e. the creation of suburbs) is now happening in Eastern Europe, at least it's happening in the country from where I'm from (Romania) without racism playing that much of a part in it. Yeah, some of the middle-class people who chose to move to the suburbs mentioned as motives "wanting to get away from the gipsies", but most of said middle-class people used to live in communist apartment-blocks where there were almost no gipsies (the latter mostly inhabit the oldish houses from the downtown area, formerly owned by the local Jewish community).

The main reason for people moving out to the suburbs are those that you underlined: it has now become economically feasible for many families to own 2 cars and to buy a piece of land and to build a house on it. That's it. It's nevertheless pretty interesting seeing us repeating the same urbanism mistakes that the US did in the 1950s-1960s and the Western European countries started doing from the 1970s. We're now at the phase where we like to invest money into building road-bridges over everything, in order to reduce commute times, as the saying goes. There are very few people (myself included) who still say that this is not the good way going forward and that we should learn from others' mistakes, but we're seen as either nostalgics ("why we would still invest in obsolete things like tramways? tramways are communist!") or as "know-nothings".

Re:What Happens When a Suburb Begins to Die? by rdtsc on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @10:07AM (#15449849)
I am from those parts as well and saw how some of the upper middle class people, have started to move to new housing developments around the city. Which is funny, because back in the day those suburbs previously were not desirable and it's were factories and cheaper and older apartments were located.

And it's true that at least there it has nothing to do with racism, it comes I wanting a bigger house, a yard, a fence, a safe place for kids to play in and so on. Now, sure those things have been there in the country-side in the villages, but unfortunately the jobs are all in the city center. Some villages less than an hour drive from the city have seen new development, but beyond that it is the suburbs - the American Dream right in the heart of Eastern Europe.

The downside is that now the roads are swamped in cars. Unlike some American cities, those cities were not designed to have that many cars so there is no place to park them, they are driven and parked on sidewalks, they clog streets and public transport can't move during rush hour. But what to do, they have more money, they can buy cars, there is land around the city. Maybe tax cars more, add a luxury property tax? The thing is the people who live in those suburbs are also the one running everything (either through corruption or just simple economic power).

Re:What Happens When a Suburb Begins to Die? by phicoh on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @10:39AM (#15450119)
The big thing seems to be population density. If you build massive suburbs with low population density then the only way to move around is by car. To big for a bike. Not enough density for public transportation. And then you get endlessly congested roads.

The problem is that is quite expensive to build attractive apartment buildings that either have enough underground parking space for cars or you have to convince people to give up on having a car.

Re:What Happens When a Suburb Begins to Die? by closeparen on Friday October 13, 2017 @04:05AM (#15463932)
Congestion is a feature of population density. America's many small to mid sized low-density, car-oriented cities have relaxed traffic and minuscule commute times compared to riding transit in a megacity.